梁文道 ： 中国 文学 没落 了 吗 ？ 文学 实验 和 《 侦探小说 家 的 未来 之 书 》 (1) Liang Wendao: Has Chinese literature declined? Literary experiments and 'The Future of Detective Novelists' (1)

上星期 呢 last week|emphasis marker Last week, right?

上 星期五 吧 的 节目 呢 last|Friday|emphasis marker|attributive marker|program|emphasis marker It was last Friday's program, right?

我 不是 讲到 了 李泽候 先生 的 趣事 I|not|talk about|past tense marker|Li Zehou|Mr|attributive marker|interesting stories I mentioned Mr. Li Zehou's interesting stories.

呃 顺带 还 回忆起 了 uh|by the way|also|recall|past tense marker Uh, by the way, I also recalled.

上个世纪 的 八九十年代 的 情况 last century|attributive marker|1980s and 1990s|attributive marker|situation The situation in the 1980s and 1990s of the last century.

说来 正巧 我 今天 要 介绍 的 这本 小说 呢 speaking of|just happen|I|today|want to|introduce|attributive marker|this|novel|emphasis marker Coincidentally, the novel I am going to introduce today.

恰好 在 某 方面 just right|in|certain|aspect Happens to be in a certain aspect.

也 可以 说 是 从 另 一个 角度 去 also|can|say|is|from|another|one|perspective|to It can also be said to be from another perspective.

涉及 到 了 那个 年代 的 事情 involve|to|past tense marker|that|era|attributive marker|matter It involves the events of that era.

以及 那个 年代 的 失落 和 失去 and|that|era|attributive marker|loss|and|losing As well as the losses and the sense of loss of that era.

呃 但 这个 小说 呢 你 光 从 表面 上 看 呢 uh|but|this|novel|emphasis marker|you|only|from|surface|on|look|emphasis marker Uh, but this novel, if you only look at it on the surface,

或者 他 最 显眼 的 外观 上 or|he|most|eye-catching|attributive marker|appearance|on Or his most striking appearance.

你 是 看不出来 这 一层 的 you|are|can't see|this|one layer|attributive marker You can't see this layer.

这本 小说 就是 this|novel|is This novel is.

今年 爆破 理想国 文学奖 入围 短 名单 This year's shortlisted nominees for the Explosive Utopia Literary Award.

也 就是 绝学 名单 的 五部 佳作 之一 的 also|is exactly|ultimate learning|list|attributive marker|five|masterpieces|one of|attributive marker It is also one of the five masterpieces on the list of absolute learning.

侦探小说 家 的 未来 之 书 detective novel|home|attributive marker|future|attributive marker|book The future book of the detective novelist.

作者 呢 是 周凯 author|emphasis marker|is|Zhou Kai The author is Zhou Kai.

周凯 是 个 90 后 Zhou Kai|is|a|90s generation Zhou Kai is a post-90s.

他 正好 是 90 年 出生 的 he|just|is|year 1990|born|attributive marker He was born in 1990.

那么 其实 90 后 作家 当中 啊 so|actually|post-90s|writer|among|emphasis marker So actually among the post-90s writers,

有 好几位 都 非常 出色 there are|several people|all|very|outstanding there are several who are very outstanding.

那么 我 觉得 看到 then|I|feel|see So I think seeing

这 几年 的 爆破 理想国 文学奖 里面 this|few years|attributive marker|explosion|utopia|literary award|inside In recent years, the Blast Ideal Country Literary Award has been held.

这 许许多多 的 90 后 作家 的 出台 this|many|attributive marker|post-90s|writers|attributive marker|emergence Many post-90s writers have emerged.

我 是 觉得 非常 高兴 I|am|feel|very|happy I feel very happy about this.

那么 当然 还有 一些 80 后 作家 then|of course|and also|some|post-80s|writers Of course, there are also some post-80s writers.

那么 他们 都 让 我 看到 中国 文学 so|they|all|let|me|see|China|literature Then they all showed me Chinese literature.

无论 在 什么样 的 环境 底下 no matter|in|what kind of|attributive marker|environment|under No matter what kind of environment.

都 还是 展现出 了 很多 的 面貌 all|still|show|past tense marker|many|attributive marker|aspects It still presents many aspects.

跟 一些 值得 让 人 期待 的 将来 with|some|worth|make|people|expect|attributive marker|future And some futures worth looking forward to.

那么 说 到 周凯 啊 so|say|about|Zhou Kai|ah So, speaking of Zhou Kai.

其实 他 最 有名 的 小说 呢 是 一部 长篇 actually|he|most|famous|attributive marker|novel|emphasis marker|is|one|long Actually, his most famous novel is a long one.

几十万 字 叫做 台 就 清台 那个 台 hundreds of thousands|words|called|platform|just|Qing platform|that|platform It's several hundred thousand words long, called 'Tai Jiu Qing Tai'.

那 这部 小说 呢 非常 有意思 that|this|novel|emphasis marker|very|interesting This novel is very interesting.

是 一部 比较 容易 读 的 长篇小说 It is a relatively easy-to-read novel.

他 是 用 他 四川 乐山 的 方言 he|is|use|his|Sichuan|Leshan|attributive marker|dialect He writes in his Sichuan Leshan dialect.

或者 当地 的 很多 的 方言 去 书写 or|local|attributive marker|many|attributive marker|dialect|to|write Or in many local dialects.

但是 我们 是 看得懂 的 but|we|are|understand|emphasis marker But we can understand it.

这个 感觉 呢 this|feeling|emphasis marker This feeling is

就 有点 像 上次 我 介绍 的 男 货店 just|a bit|like|last time|I|introduced|attributive marker|male|goods store a bit like the men's goods store I introduced last time.

但 可能 比 男 货店 的 地方 色彩 还 but|possibly|than|male|store|attributive marker|place|color|still But it might be even more

要 再 强烈 want|more|intense intense in local color than the men's goods store.

主要 是 那个 语言 main|is|that|language The main thing is that language.

那么 这 是 这 一篇 小说 呢 then|this|is|this|one|novel|emphasis marker So, this is this novel.

这部 小说 呢 就 写 到 了 比如说 this|novel|emphasis marker|just|write|to|past tense marker|for example This novel writes about, for example,

晚清 时代 的 四川 当地 的 情况 late Qing|era|attributive marker|Sichuan|local|attributive marker|situation the situation in Sichuan during the late Qing dynasty.

在 那个 时候 你 就 不能 不 谈 at|that|time|you|then|cannot|not|talk At that time, you couldn't help but talk.

呃 当时 四川 最 有名 最大 的 帮派 uh|at that time|Sichuan|most|famous|largest|attributive marker|gang Uh, at that time, the most famous and largest gang in Sichuan,

那 就是 刨歌 that|is exactly|pao song was the Chopper Gang.

是不是 有 许许多多 那些 细节 is it|have|many|those|details Are there many details?

里面 呢 inside|emphasis marker Inside, huh?

看得出来 周凯 是 做 了 大量 的 研究 can tell|Zhou Kai|is|do|past tense marker|a large amount of|attributive marker|research It can be seen that Zhou Kai has done a lot of research.

大量 的 功夫 a lot of|attributive marker|effort A lot of effort.

那么 把 许多 当时 真实 的一些 社会 背景 then|put|many|at that time|real|some|social|background Then, to present many of the real social backgrounds at that time.

人物 情况 都 写 了 进去 character|situation|all|write|past tense marker|into it The character situation has all been written in.

那么 所以 出来 这部 小说 呢 so|therefore|come out|this|novel|emphasis marker So, what comes out of this novel?

就是 一个 气势磅礴 just|one|magnificent momentum It is a magnificent work.

关于 某个 地方 的 小说 about|certain|place|attributive marker|novel It is a novel about a certain place.

这种 地方 小说 呢 哎 很 有意思 啊 this kind of|place|novel|emphasis marker|interjection|very|interesting|emphasis marker This kind of local novel is very interesting.

就 最近 just|recently Just recently,

五六年 呢 又 开始 多 起来 了 five or six years|emphasis marker|again|start|more|begin to|past tense marker in the past five or six years, it has started to increase again.

就是 有 地方 方言 色彩 just|have|local|dialect|color It has local dialect colors.

有 地方 的 民俗文化 历史 传统 have|place|attributive marker|folk culture|history|tradition Local folk culture, history, and traditions

民间 传说 folk|legend Folklore

跟 地方 志士 的 事实 编织 在 里面 with|local|patriots|attributive marker|facts|woven|in|inside Woven with the facts of local heroes

越来越 多 more and more|many More and more

那么 上 回 讲 的 男 货店 呢 so|last|time|talk|attributive marker|male|goods store|question marker So, what about the men's store we talked about last time?

那么 当然 也 可以 算 then|of course|also|can|count Well, of course, it can also be considered.

是 有 这种 地方色彩 的 小说 之一 is|have|this kind of|local color|attributive marker|novel|one of It is one of those novels with local color.

那么 可是 呢 then|but|emphasis marker But then again,

这 一回 啊 this|one time|emphasis marker This time, ah

我要 谈 的 周凯 这部 小说 却 完全 不 一样 I want|talk|attributive marker|Zhou Kai|this|novel|but|completely|not|the same What I want to talk about is the novel by Zhou Kai, which is completely different.

就 有时候 你 会 觉得 这 简直 是 两个 人 just|sometimes|you|will|feel|this|simply|is|two|people Sometimes you feel like this is simply written by two different people.

写 出来 的 书 write|out|attributive marker|book The book.

那么 说 到 周凯 妾 他 这 so|say|to|Zhou Kai|concubine|he|this So, speaking of Zhou Kai's concubine, he has

两三年 出 了 连续 出 了 三部 作品 two to three years|produce|past tense marker|consecutively|release|past tense marker|three|works released three works continuously in the past two to three years.

一部 就是 胎 one|is|fetus One of them is "Tai."

就是 2016 年 出 的 it is|year 2016|released|attributive marker It was released in 2016.

呃 写 完 的 啊 那 部 刚才 我 说 那 部长 篇 Uh, it's finished. That one I just mentioned, the long piece.

然后 还有 一部 今年 出 的 短篇 籍 then|also|one|this year|published|attributive marker|short|book And there is also a short story collection that was released this year.

叫做 少年 胭脂 雨林 怪 called|youth|rouge|rainforest|strange It's called 'Youth Rouge Rainforest Monster'.

这本 短篇 籍 是 最后 出 的 this|short story|book|is|last|published|attributive marker This short story collection is the last one released.

但 里面 的 作品 其实 反而 是 他 but|inside|attributive marker|works|actually|on the contrary|is|him But the works inside are actually his.

应该 是 他 最早 写成 的 吧 should|is|he|earliest|written as|attributive marker|suggestion marker It should be the earliest he wrote.

那个 时候 他 在 一部 已经 停刊 的 that|time|he|at|one|already|ceased publication|attributive marker At that time, he was in a magazine that had already ceased publication.

我 很 喜欢 的 文学 杂志 I|very|like|attributive marker|literature|magazine A literary magazine that I really liked.

那 是 十来 年 十年 前 左右 that|is|around ten|years|ten years|ago|approximately That was about ten years ago.

当时 中国 出 了 好几个 文学 杂志 at that time|China|publish|past tense marker|several|literature|magazines At that time, China had several literary magazines.

都 很 值得 一读 的 all|very|worth|a read|attributive marker All of them were worth reading.

那 这 就 其中 一份 就 天南 that|this|just|among them|one copy|just|Tian Nan This is one of them, called Tian Nan.

非常 好 非常 好 Very good, very good.

但 可惜 停 了 好 可惜 好 可惜 but|unfortunately|stop|emphasis marker|very|pity|very|pity But unfortunately, it stopped. What a pity, what a pity.

那 呃 周凯 就是 在 天南 上面 首先 起家 的 that|uh|Zhou Kai|is|at|Tian Nan|on top|first|start business|attributive marker Well, Zhou Kai started out on Tian Nan.

在 上面 发表 短片 on|top|publish|short film Published short films on it.

那么 啊 他 当时 的 很多 短片 就 then|emphasis marker|he|at that time|attributive marker|many|short films|just So, at that time, many of his short films were

收录 到 了 少年 胭脂 与 灵怪 included|to|past tense marker|youth|rouge|and|supernatural beings included in the novel 'Young Rouge and Spirits'.

这个 小说 棋 呢 的 作品 都 稍微 魔幻 一点 this|novel|chess|emphasis marker|attributive marker|works|all|slightly|fantasy|a bit The works in this novel are slightly magical.

很 有意思 也 很 容易 读 very|interesting|also|very|easy|read They are very interesting and easy to read.

可是 去年 出版 的 这部 侦探 but|last year|published|attributive marker|this|detective But the detective novel published last year

小说家 的 未来 之 书 novelist|attributive marker|future|attributive marker|book The Future Book of the Novelist

就 截 just|cut is quite different.

然 不 一样 了 however|not|the same|emphasis marker It has changed.

这本 小说 呢 this|novel|emphasis marker This novel, huh?

如果 你 上网 搜寻 一下 评论 的话 if|you|online|search|a bit|comments|if If you search for reviews online,

你 会 发现 很多 人 说 看 不懂 you|will|find|many|people|say|see|don't understand you will find that many people say they don't understand it.

那么 有些 人 好像 看 懂 了 so|some|people|seem|look|understand|emphasis marker However, some people seem to have understood it.

然后 就 会 说 啊 他 是 一个 先锋 文学 then|just|will|say|ah|he|is|one|avant-garde|literature Then they will say, ah, he is a pioneer of literature.

然后 强 强调 他 的 实验性 then|strong|emphasize|he|attributive marker|experimental nature Then they emphasize his experimental nature.

然后 强调 先锋 文学 这个 东西 then|emphasize|avant-garde|literature|this|thing Then they emphasize the concept of pioneer literature.

到底 还有 没有 前途 in the end|still have|not have|future Is there still a future for it?

有没有 出路 等等等等 Is there a way out, etc.

很多 人 谈 这些 事 many|people|talk|these|things Many people talk about these things.

那么 这 到底 是 怎么 回事 呢 so|this|on earth|is|how|matter|emphasis marker So what is going on here?

首先 我们 讲 一下 先 first|we|talk|briefly|first First, let's talk about it.

锋 小说 或 先锋 文学 这件 事 edge|novel|or|avant-garde|literature|this|matter Feng novels or avant-garde literature this matter

假如 你 很 年轻 啊 if|you|very|young|emphasis marker If you are very young ah

你 可能 不 知道 you|might|not|know You may not know

你 今天 看到 的 莫言 书 同于 华 you|today|saw|attributive marker|Mo Yan|book|similar to|Hua The Mo Yan books you see today are the same as Hua

跟 我们 三 10 年 前 读到 的 是 很 不 一样 的 with|us|three|year|ago|read|attributive marker|is|very|not|the same|attributive marker What we read 10 years ago is very different.

在 三四十年 前 at|thirty to forty years|ago Thirty or forty years ago.

啊 就 上 世纪 的 八十年代 的 时候 ah|just|on|century|attributive marker|1980s|attributive marker|time Ah, back in the 1980s.

我 这批 作家 都 是 所谓 的 先锋 文学家 I|this group|writers|all|are|so-called|attributive marker|avant-garde|literary figures This group of writers I belong to are the so-called avant-garde writers.

先锋 小说家 pioneer|novelist Avant-garde novelist

那么 当然 里面 也 有 那 一代 的 作家 then|of course|inside|also|have|that|one generation|attributive marker|writers So of course there are writers from that generation in it

坚持 了 一些 先锋 路线 insist|past tense marker|some|pioneer|route Who adhered to some avant-garde paths

比如说 残血 for example|low health For example, 'Blood Remains'

又 比如说 像 葛菲 老师 again|for example|like|Ge Fei|teacher For example, like Teacher Ge Fei.

那么 后来 呢 葛菲 老师 也 没有 了 so|later|emphasis marker|Ge Fei|teacher|also|did not have|past tense marker So later, Teacher Ge Fei was also gone.

早年 的 那么 强烈 的 先锋 色彩 early years|attributive marker|so|strong|attributive marker|avant-garde|color The strong avant-garde colors of the early years.

那么 到底 我们 讲 的 先锋 so|exactly|we|talk|attributive marker|vanguard So what exactly are we talking about when we say avant-garde?

先锋 是 什么 意思 呢 vanguard|is|what|meaning|emphasis marker What does 'vanguard' mean?

其实 这 是 一个 中国 文学 actually|this|is|one|Chinese|literature Actually, this is a concept in Chinese literature.

现代 文学史 上 的 一个 概念 modern|literary history|on|attributive marker|one|concept It is a concept in the history of modern literature.

啊 里面 的 很多 的 手法 形式 ah|inside|attributive marker|many|attributive marker|techniques|forms Ah, there are many techniques and forms in it.

其实 在 国外 都 曾经 出现 过 actually|in|abroad|all|once|appear|past tense marker In fact, it has appeared abroad.

但是 他们 从来 没有 被 统一 的 命名 为 but|they|ever|never|be|unified|attributive marker|named|as But they have never been uniformly named as.

叫做 先锋 文学 is called|avant-garde|literature Called avant-garde literature.

只有 在 我们 这里 only|at|our|here Only here with us.

他们 可以 共同 盖上 一个 大 伞 they|can|together|cover|one|big|umbrella They can jointly cover a large umbrella.

叫做 先锋 文学 is called|avant-garde|literature It's called avant-garde literature.

这是 怎么回事 呢 What is going on?

就 像 上次 我们 讲 李哲 后 just|like|last time|we|talk|Li Zhe|after It's just like last time when we talked about Li Zhehou.

先生 的 时候 提到 的 sir|attributive marker|time|mention|attributive marker Mr. mentioned at the time.

就 上个世纪 呃 70 年代 末 文革 结束 just|last century|uh|1970s|end|Cultural Revolution|ended It was the end of the Cultural Revolution in the late 1970s.

然后 80 年代 改革开放 then|1980s|reform and opening up Then the reform and opening up in the 1980s.

在 那个 时候 呢 at|that|time|emphasis marker At that time.

全 中国 的 文化 创作者 文艺 创作者 呢 all|China|attributive marker|culture|creator|literary and artistic|creator|emphasis marker All cultural creators and artistic creators in China.

都 有 一种 被 压抑 已久 all|have|one kind|by|suppressed|for a long time All have a kind of long-suppressed.

很多 东西 要 喷薄而出 的 那股 动力 many|things|need|burst forth|attributive marker|that|power A lot of things are about to burst out with that kind of motivation.

和 欲望 于是 那个 时候 呢 and|desire|then|that|time|emphasis marker And desire, so at that time.

一方面 大家 读到 了 on one hand|everyone|read|past tense marker On one hand, everyone has read.

看到 了 许多 新 翻译 进来 的 文学作品 see|emphasis marker|many|new|translation|come in|attributive marker|literary works They have seen many new translated literary works coming in.

知道 了 过去 几十年 know|emphasis marker|past|several decades They have learned about what has happened in world literature over the past few decades.

世界 文学 发生 了 什么 事情 world|literature|happen|past tense marker|what|events They know what has been happening.

同时 呢 也 开始 at the same time|emphasis marker|also|start At the same time, it also began.

很 想 尝试 一些 跟 以往 截然 不同 的 事物 very|want|try|some|with|in the past|completely|different|attributive marker|things I really want to try some things that are completely different from the past.

我们 知道 曾经 中国 在 有 一个 阶段 呢 we|know|once|China|at|have|one|stage|emphasis marker We know that there was a period in China.

就 文字 上面 高度 统一 just|text|on top|height|unified Where the written language was highly unified.

就是 大家 写 什么 东西 just|everyone|write|what|things It's just that everyone writes something.

你 觉得 都 像 在 学 毛主席 you|feel|all|like|in|learn|Chairman Mao You feel like you are learning from Chairman Mao.

然后 嗯 要 写 小说 then|um|want|write|novel Then, um, if you want to write a novel.

写 故事 的话 他 的 迅速 线索 人物 典型 write|story|if|he|attributive marker|rapid|clue|character|typical When writing a story, his rapid clues and typical characters.

那 也 都 是 非常 明确 that|also|all|is|very|clear That is also very clear.

基本上 文革 期间 的 小说 呢 basically|Cultural Revolution|period|attributive marker|novel|emphasis marker Basically, the novels during the Cultural Revolution...

当然 也 有 很 值得 分析 的 探讨 的 地方 of course|also|have|very|worth|analyzing|attributive marker|discussion|attributive marker|places Of course, there are also many places worth analyzing and discussing.

啊 但是 ah|but Ah, but...

绝大部分 你 都 觉得 像是 彼此 的 副本 the vast majority|you|all|feel|like|each other|attributive marker|copy Most of them you feel are like each other's copies.

都 觉得 是 一个 all|feel|is|one All feel like one.

呃 彼此 的 一个 uh|each other|attributive marker|one Uh, each other's one.

呃 模仿 那么 所以 呢 就 非常 的 模式化 uh|imitate|so|therefore|emphasis marker|just|very|attributive marker|standardization Uh, imitation, so it becomes very patterned.

然后 语言 上 也 高度 模式化 then|language|on|also|highly|standardized Then the language is also highly patterned.

在 这个 背景 底下 呢 at|this|background|under|emphasis marker In this context,

大家 都 想 找 些 新 东西 everyone|all|want|find|some|new|things everyone wants to find something new.

有 的 人 呢 就 可能 想要 回归 文学 传统 there are|attributive marker|people|emphasis marker|just|possibly|want to|return to|literature|tradition Some people might want to return to literary traditions.

比如说 在 八 零 年代 时候 for example|in|eight|zero|decade|time For example, in the 1980s,

曾经 有过 一次 关于 寻根 文学 的 探讨 once|had|one time|about|root-seeking|literature|attributive marker|discussion there was a discussion about root-seeking literature.

大家 都 想 找回 哎 everyone|all|want|get back|sigh Everyone wanted to find back,

几十年 前 在 这 那么 这么 多 运动 之前 decades|ago|at|this|that|so|many|sports|before decades ago, before so many movements.

中国 原来 的 民间文化 China|originally|attributive marker|folk culture The original folk culture of China

中国 文学 里面 原来 的 一些 语言 特性 China|literature|inside|originally|attributive marker|some|language|characteristics Some linguistic characteristics originally found in Chinese literature

跟 他 的 根源 是 什么 with|him|attributive marker|source|is|what What its origins are

那么 试图 把 这些 东西 then|attempt|to|these|things So trying to put these things together

拿 出来 在 今天 复活 take|out|at|today|resurrect Take it out and resurrect it today.

那 这 里面 最 常 被 归类 为 寻根 文学 代表 that|this|inside|most|often|be|classified|as|root-seeking|literature|representative Then this is most commonly classified as a representative of root-seeking literature.

但 其实 我 觉得 这个 归纳 有点 不够 精确 but|actually|I|feel|this|induction|a bit|not enough|precise But actually, I think this classification is a bit imprecise.

那 当然 就是 阿成 啊 阿老 that|of course|is|A Cheng|emphasis marker|A Lao Of course, it's A Cheng and A Lao.

那么 但是 也 有 很多 作家 呢 so|but|also|have|many|writers|emphasis marker Well, but there are also many writers.

像 我 刚才 提到 的 余华 书童 like|I|just now|mentioned|attributive marker|Yu Hua|book boy Like the Yu Hua I just mentioned.

还有 残雪 阁飞 的 still have|leftover snow|Ge Fei|attributive marker And also Can Xue and Ge Fei.

就 试图 just|attempt They are trying.

开创 一些 截然 不同 的 实验性 作品 create|some|completely|different|attributive marker|experimental|works Create some completely different experimental works.

那么 这些 作 so|these|do So what are the characteristics of these works?

品 的 特点 呢 product|attributive marker|characteristics|emphasis marker They absorb many of the things I just mentioned.

就是 吸收 了 刚才 我 讲 到 的 很多 just|absorb|past tense marker|just now|I|talk|to|attributive marker|many

西方 文学 在 Western|literature|in Western literature has

一个 世纪 以来 曾经 出现 过 的 appeared over the past century.

也 不能 叫 西方 also|cannot|call|West It cannot be called Western,

因为 你 包括 拉美 because|you|include|Latin America because you include Latin America.

全世界 文学 吧 whole world|literature|emphasis marker Literature around the world.

各地 出现 过 的 许多 的 手法 和 形式 various places|appear|past|attributive marker|many|attributive marker|techniques|and|forms Many techniques and forms that have appeared in various places.

比如说 啊 这些 小说 会 在 人称 上面 for example|emphasis marker|these|novels|will|on|person|aspect For example, these novels will put some effort into the perspective.

去 下 一些 功夫 go|down|some|effort They will work on it.

你 知道 我们 小说 的 写作 呢 you|know|we|novel|attributive marker|writing|emphasis marker Do you know about the writing of our novel?

你 要 不 就是 第三人称 you|want|not|just is|third person You either use the third person,

就是 好像 有 一个 作者 在 小说 just|seems|there is|one|author|in|novel as if there is an author outside of the novel's world.

的 世界 之外 attributive marker|world|outside

用 一个 use|one Use one

客观 的 或者 说 上帝 视角 的 角度 objective|attributive marker|or|say|God|perspective|attributive marker|angle an objective or, let's say, a god's eye perspective

去 给 你 说 一个 故事 go|to|you|tell|one|story to tell you a story

就 像 一个 说书人 just|like|one|storyteller just like a storyteller

也 可以 是 一个 第一人称 的 写作 also|can|is|one|first person|attributive marker|writing It can also be a first-person writing.

比如说 是 for example|is For example,

呃 有 一个 我 uh|have|one|I uh, there is a 'me'.

这个 蓄势 者 本人 直接 在 跟 你 说话 this|build momentum|one who|myself|directly|at|with|you|speak This person, the one who is building up, is directly talking to you.

还有 可能 呢 比较 少数 的 情况 是 你 still|possible|emphasis marker|relatively|few|attributive marker|situation|is|you There is also a possibility that it is a relatively rare situation for you.

就 这个 你 呢 just|this|you|emphasis marker Just this, for you.

就 变成 让 整个 小说 有种 强烈 的 对话 just|become|make|entire|novel|have a kind of|strong|attributive marker|dialogue It becomes a strong sense of dialogue for the entire novel.

题 的 感受 topic|attributive marker|feelings The feeling of the theme.

可是 呢 but|emphasis marker But then,

难道 小说 就 只能 有 这 三种 人称 出发 吗 is it possible that|novel|just|can only|have|this|three kinds|person|perspective|question marker can novels only start from these three perspectives?

那么 这 三种 人称 背后 so|this|three kinds|person|behind So, behind these three perspectives,

是否 都 还有 值得 推敲 的 地方 呢 whether|all|still have|worth|scrutinize|attributive marker|places|emphasis marker are there still aspects worth exploring?

你 比如说 平常 用 第三人称 you|for example|usually|use|third person For example, you usually write novels from a third-person perspective.

为 蓄势 角度 写 出来 的 小说 for|build momentum|perspective|write|out|attributive marker|novel From the perspective of building momentum.

我们 一般 觉得 他 在 创造 一个 世界 we|generally|feel|he|in|create|one|world We generally feel that he is creating a world.

在 描述 一个 似乎 存在 的 客观 事实 at|describe|one|seemingly|exist|attributive marker|objective|fact Describing an objective fact that seems to exist.

似乎 是 有 个 上帝 视角 seems|is|have|one|God|perspective It seems to have a god's eye view.

从 上 往 下 俯视 看到 的 东西 from|top|towards|bottom|overlook|see|attributive marker|things Looking down from above to see things.

比如说 最 经典 的 for example|most|classic|attributive marker For example, the most classic.

莫过于 托尔斯泰 式 的 那种 小说 nothing more than|Tolstoy|style|attributive marker|that kind of|novel Is none other than the Tolstoy-style novel.

可是 难道 but|could it be that But isn't it difficult?

这样 的 上帝 视角 本身 不可 被 质疑 吗 this way|attributive marker|God|perspective|itself|cannot|be|questioned|question marker Isn't this God's perspective itself questionable?

难道 我们 不 能够 could it be that|we|not|be able to Can't we?

试着 打 穿 这个 第三人称 的 这种 try to|hit|through|this|third person|attributive marker|this kind of Try to break through this third-person perspective?

虚假 的 那种 客观性 false|attributive marker|that kind of|objectivity The kind of false objectivity

去 挑逗 他 吗 go|tease|him|question marker Are you going to provoke him?

那 从 这里 头 呢 that|from|here|end|emphasis marker Then what about from here?

我们 就 可以 进入 到 关于 we|then|can|enter|to|about We can then enter into the discussion about

蓄势 角度 的 讨论 accumulate momentum|angle|attributive marker|discussion Discussion from the perspective of momentum.

人称 跟 蓄势 角度 啊 是 很 可以 相提并论 person|with|momentum|perspective|emphasis marker|is|very|can|be compared The perspective of person and momentum can be compared.

但 又 不 一定 完全 一致 的 but|also|not|necessarily|completely|consistent|attributive marker But they are not necessarily completely consistent.

有时候 sometimes Sometimes.

我 可以 是 从 一个 第三人称 的 角度 出发 I|can|be|from|one|third person|attributive marker|perspective|start I can start from a third-person perspective

来 讲 一个 故事 come|tell|one|story to tell a story

可是 这里 but|here But here

面 你 会 发现 这个 蓄势 角度 face|you|will|discover|this|accumulate strength|angle you will find this potential perspective

可能 是 围绕 着 possible|is|around|ongoing action marker It may revolve around

书中 的 或者 故事 中的 一个 人物 in the book|attributive marker|or|story|in the|one|character a character in the book or story

又 从 他 的 角度 出发 again|from|his|attributive marker|perspective|start and start from his perspective

来 构 足 整个 故事 世界 come|build|enough|entire|story|world to construct the entire story world.

那么 由于 有 这样 的 距离 so|due to|have|such|attributive marker|distance So, due to this distance

因此 这 中间 也 就 有 了 therefore|this|middle|also|just|have|emphasis marker therefore, there is also

值得 游戏 的 空间 了 好 worth|game|attributive marker|space|emphasis marker|good worthwhile space for the game now

那么 说完 蓄势 角度 then|finish speaking|accumulate strength|angle Now, having talked about the buildup perspective

我们 还 可以 再 来 讲讲 we|still|can|again|come|talk about We can talk about it again.

我们 刚才 不是 一直 提 故事 故事 吗 we|just now|not|always|mention|story|story|question marker Weren't we just telling stories all the time?

谁 说 小说 就 只是 一个 故事 呢 who|says|novel|just|only|one|story|emphasis marker Who says a novel is just a story?

故事 啊 总是 有 头 有 尾 有 一个 结 story|emphasis marker|always|have|beginning|have|end|have|one|conclusion Stories always have a beginning and an end, and they have a conclusion.

然后 你 要 把 它 解开 then|you|need|to|it|untie Then you need to untie it.

有 低谷 有 高潮 这 都 是 我们 的 假设 There are lows and highs; these are all our assumptions.

尤其 我们 在 大众 影视作品 之中 especially|we|in|mass|film and television works|among Especially in our popular film and television works.

脐带 的 都 是 这样 一些 的 umbilical cord|attributive marker|all|are|this kind of|some|attributive marker The umbilical cord is all about these things.

线性 的 啊 linear|attributive marker|emphasis marker Linear, huh?

迅速 方法 rapid|method Rapid method.

我们 有没有 可能 打破 这种 线性 叙述 we|is there|possibility|break|this kind of|linear|narrative Is it possible for us to break this linear narrative?

有没有 可能 写 一个 小说 is there|possible|write|one|novel Is it possible to write a novel?

他 的 重点 不是 故事 he|attributive marker|focus|is not|story His focus is not on the story.

甚至 里面 没有 故事 呢 even|inside|no|story|emphasis marker There isn't even a story in it.

那么 又 或者 我 讲故事 then|again|or|I|tell stories So maybe I tell a story.

但是 故事 之后 还有 故事 but|story|after|there are still|stories But there are stories after the story.

比如 说 for example|say For example,

我 直接 以 小说 作者 的 身份 出现 I|directly|as|novel|author|attributive marker|identity|appear I directly appear as the author of the novel.

说 我 现在 要 讲 一个 故事 say|I|now|want|tell|one|story I say that I am going to tell a story now.

然后 整部 小说 就 围绕 在 我 讲 的 这个 故 then|the whole|novel|just|revolve around|on|I|tell|attributive marker|this|story Then the entire novel revolves around the story I am telling.

以及 我 自己 对于 这个 故事 的 构思 看法 and|I|myself|regarding|this|story|attributive marker|conception|opinion As well as my own thoughts on the conception of this story.

以及 形成 这个 故事 的 背景 之间 and|form|this|story|attributive marker|background|between And the background that forms this story.

因此 这 里面 就 有 两重 的 距离 therefore|this|inside|just|have|twofold|attributive marker|distance Therefore, there are two layers of distance in this.

那么 这种 情况 就是 一般 所说 的 后 then|this kind of|situation|is|generally|said|attributive marker|after So this situation is what is generally referred to as the latter.

设 小说 set|novel Set Novel

或者 在 中国 更 流行 的 翻译 方法 叫做 元 or|in|China|more|popular|attributive marker|translation|method|is called|yuan Or the translation method that is more popular in China is called Yuan

小说 novel Novel

也 就是 小说 的 故事 之后 还有 一个 背景 also|is|novel|attributive marker|story|after|and also|one|background Which means that after the story of the novel, there is also a background

而 这个 背景 是 可以 刺穿 and|this|background|is|can|pierce through And this background can pierce through

前面 那个 故事 的 in front|that|story|attributive marker the story in front.

那种 引人入胜 吸引 你 进去 that kind of|captivating|attract|you|inside That kind of captivating allure draws you in.

那种 虚拟 性格 that kind of|virtual|personality That kind of virtual character.

让 你 觉得 哎 这个 作者 直接 出来 说话 let|you|feel|ah|this|author|directly|come out|speak Makes you feel like, oh, this author is directly speaking out.

直接 在 挑战 directly|in at|challenge Directly challenging.

我 这个 读者 对于 这个 故 I|this|reader|regarding|this|story My understanding and reading of this story.

事 的 阅读 和 理解 matter|attributive marker|reading|and|understanding As a reader.

那么 由于 这么 一 写 呢 then|due to|so|one|write|emphasis marker So, due to this writing,

你 想想 看 you|think about|see just think about it,

一个 小说 里面 出现 了 两重 的 叙述 one|novel|inside|appear|past tense marker|dual|attributive marker|narration a novel contains two layers of narration,

一个 是 呃 我们 要 看 的 故事 一个 one|is|uh|we|want|to see|attributive marker|story|one one is the story we want to see, and one is

是 好像 是 作者 身份 出现 is|seems|is|author|identity|appear It seems that the author's identity appears.

尽管 也 不 一定 是 啊 作者 身份 出现 although|also|not|necessarily|is|emphasis marker|author|identity|appear Although it may not necessarily be the author's identity that appears.

来 跟 我们 讲 他 对 这个 故事 的 看法 come|with|us|talk|he|about|this|story|attributive marker|opinion To come and tell us his views on this story.

这么 一来 this|in this case In this way.

这个 小说 里面 就 出现 了 几个 层面 的 this|novel|inside|just|appear|past tense marker|several|aspects|attributive marker This novel presents several levels.

几个 层次 的 several|levels|attributive marker Several layers.

不同 的 啊 文本 了 这么 讲 吧 different|attributive marker|emphasis marker|text|past tense marker|so|speak|suggestion marker Different texts, let's put it this way.

那么 如果 是 这样 的话 then|if|is|this way|in that case So if that's the case,

我们 还 是否 可以 再 做 一些 实验 we|still|whether|can|again|do|some|experiments Can we still do some more experiments?

比如说 我 的 小说 里面 是不是 for example|my|attributive marker|novel|inside|is or not For example, is it in my novel?

不 一定 只是 一个 故事 的 not|necessarily|just|one|story|attributive marker Not necessarily just a single story,

或者 两重 故事 的 叙述 or|dual|story|attributive marker|narration or a narrative of two stories?

中间 能 不能 夹杂 一些 新闻报道 middle|can|cannot|mix|some|news reports Can we mix in some news reports?

能 不能 放 些 诗句 进去 can|cannot|put|some|verses|inside Can we include some poetry?

能 不能 大量 的 引述 历史 或者 是 一些 的 can|cannot|a large amount|attributive marker|quote|history|or|is|some|attributive marker Can we extensively quote history or some other things?

甚至 是 理论 上 的 文字 进去 呢 even|is|theory|on|attributive marker|text|go in|emphasis marker Can we even include theoretical texts?

那么 于是 一部 小说 里面 then|so|one|novel|inside So, in a novel,

可能 就 有 多重 不同 的 文体 在 里头 了 possibly|just|have|multiple|different|attributive marker|styles|in|inside|emphasis marker there may be multiple different styles within it.

我 记得 我 小时候 啊 I|remember|I|childhood|emphasis marker I remember when I was a child,

也 曾经 想过 这个 问题 also|once|thought about|this|question I also thought about this question.

就 假如 我 用 小说 来 写 一个 哲学 理论 just|if|I|use|novel|to|write|one|philosophy|theory What if I use a novel to write a philosophical theory?

这 本书 可能 看起来 完全 是 理论性 的 this|book|may|seem|completely|is|theoretical|attributive marker This book might look completely theoretical.

是 关于 社会科学 is|about|social sciences It is about social sciences.

人文 哲学 的 一些 理论 书 humanities|philosophy|attributive marker|some|theory|books Some theoretical books on human philosophy.

但 其实 我 是 把 它 当 小说 来 写 的 but|actually|I|am|as|it|as|novel|to|write|emphasis marker But actually, I wrote it as a novel.

那 这种 情况 that|this kind of|situation So in this situation,

这部 书 会 是 什么样 的 一部 书 呢 this|book|will|be|what kind|attributive marker|one|book|question marker what kind of book will this be?

就 比如说 你 可以 这么 来 想 也 写 just|for example|you|can|this way|come|think|also|write For example, you can think and write like this.

也 能 写 一个 东西 出来 还是 叫 小说 的 also|can|write|one|thing|out|still|called|novel|attributive marker Can also write something out that is still called a novel.

那么 又 或者 我们 关心 文字 啊 so|again|or|we|care about|text|emphasis marker Then perhaps we care about the text.

就 这个 文字 just|this|text Just this text.

当然 这方面 的 实验 就 更是 由来已久 of course|in this area|attributive marker|experiments|just|even more|long-standing Of course, experiments in this area have a long history.

比如说 很 易事 流 的 写法 for example|very|easy thing|flow|attributive marker|writing style For example, it's very easy to write in a flowing style.

比如说 试试看 不用 标点符号 for example|try it out|no need|punctuation marks For example, try writing without punctuation.

比如说 试试看 不 分段 for example|give it a try|not|segment For example, try writing without paragraphs.

又 或者说 像 法国 新 小说 那 样子 again|or rather|like|France|new|novel|that|way Or you could say, like the style of the French New Novel.