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01.Speaking, 66.Bitcoin Part 1

66.Bitcoin Part 1

Todd: Okay. So, Anthony, I thought we would talk about bitcoin.

Anthony: Okay.

Todd: So, you are kind of the expert about bitcoin.

Anthony: I wouldn't say I'm an expert, I just, maybe a hobbyist, bitcoin hobbyist.

Todd: How long have you been involved with bitcoin?

Anthony: I first heard about bitcoin in probably 2012, and I really, I'm really kicking myself that I didn't buy some then because it was about $20, but when I-

Todd: So $20 per bitcoin-

Anthony: Yeah, per bitcoin was about $20.

Todd: Okay. So how much is it worth now?

Anthony: Right now, it's about $8,500, somewhere around there.

Todd: You've got to be kidding me.

Anthony: No. I wish I was, but-

Todd: Wow.

Anthony: I got into it as a hobbyist around 2014, a little before I moved abroad, and I got into what is known as mining. To briefly explain what that is, is miners, people who call themselves miners, they buy special computers which are called ASICs, and that stands for application-specific integrated circuit. The application-specific part means that the chips that you're using in that computer can only be used for one specific purpose, and that purpose is to solve cryptographic problems, thus creating bitcoin. So that's what I was doing, I was running a mining computer.

Todd: So you say mining, like mining, you're getting little bits of bitcoin-

Anthony: Yeah, exactly.

Todd: And it's tiny, tiny fragments.

Anthony: Exactly.

Todd: You have this chip in your computer. Your computer finds this cryptographic problem, so your computer, you get the reward by getting a small bit of bitcoin.

Anthony: Exactly. So it's called solo mining. You can do solo mining where you're only working with your, with whatever computers you have, but what's a lot more popular is pool mining, where you join a pool and you work together with a group of miners to solve one problem, and once the block is discovered, as they say, each block contains 50 bitcoins. So depending on the computing power that you were giving the pool, you get paid out in equal measure. so for people, that's a lot more profitable than solo mining because you could solo mine for years and never find a block. So, yeah.

Todd: Yeah. For somebody who has no concept of this, the first thing they're going to ask you is, well, who creates these blocks of ... Who makes this?

Anthony: That's a good question.

Todd: It's like a "Where are we from?" It's like a chicken and an egg thing, so-

Anthony: Exactly, and that's a very interesting point to bring up because allegedly the creator of bitcoin is someone called Satoshi Nakamoto. And he is the alleged creator, as I said, but the reason I say alleged, is that no one has ever met this person. He's kind of a mystery, so no one knows his real identity. Some people have had made theories that it could be a group of people. It could be a specific person that, and that's just an alias, but no one really knows who this guy is and where he came from. Yeah, it's this really interesting concept.

Todd: So, then how did this take hold? How did this get a foot in society? You know what I mean, like get a foot in the door, I should say.

Anthony: Yeah.

Todd: So somebody creates this system. This person is a mystery, but then the internet grabbed onto it and said, "Hey, this is a really cool thing. I want to buy this." It's just it's quite interesting that this market came out of nowhere and now it's challenging traditional currency systems.

Anthony: Exactly. This was before the internet was even really what it is now, but I think in like 2007, I think, 2007, 2008, there was a group of people called the Cypherpunks, and they were kind of like anarchistic programmers that were anti-establishment. They ran this email mailing list, and they were just collaborating together talking about creating some kind of digital cash. Satoshi Nakamoto was a member of that mailing list, and that's where it kind of gained the underground movement and ... Really, I think there's what is called the white paper and that's the document that details everything about bitcoin, and it's really big. I'm not sure exactly how large, but it's like a book, and a lot of the reason it took off is people would read it and they would believe the technology, and they would try to sell it to other people because they believed in it really.

Todd: Wow. That's an interesting history, and so basically this community read this white paper and then it took off-

Anthony: From there.

Todd: And gained momentum and then that here we are today.

Anthony: Yeah, but I think a big part of it, as you mentioned, is really just convincing people because really fiat currency, I mean, if you break it down, it's just paper, right?

Todd: Yeah.

Anthony: It's just paper that the government makes.

Todd: It's an illusion.

Anthony: Yeah, and the only reason that it has any value is because we trust in it. So, if I give you a $100 bill or whatever, you're going to trust that you can spend that to buy something, so it's the same thing with bitcoin. It's a process of convincing people that because this technology makes something that is scarce, it cannot be replicated, it cannot be ... Without the proper means, it cannot be moved or taken, that it is a valid way of transferring value digitally. So that's a really big part of it and a lot of people have bought into it.

Todd: Wow. Very interesting.

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Todd: Okay. So, Anthony, I thought we would talk about bitcoin.

Anthony: Okay.

Todd: So, you are kind of the expert about bitcoin.

Anthony: I wouldn't say I'm an expert, I just, maybe a hobbyist, bitcoin hobbyist.

Todd: How long have you been involved with bitcoin?

Anthony: I first heard about bitcoin in probably 2012, and I really, I'm really kicking myself that I didn't buy some then because it was about $20, but when I- 앤서니: 저는 아마 2012년에 비트코인에 대해 처음 들었는데, 당시 20달러 정도였기 때문에 그때 사지 않은 것이 정말 후회스럽습니다.

Todd: So $20 per bitcoin-

Anthony: Yeah, per bitcoin was about $20.

Todd: Okay. So how much is it worth now?

Anthony: Right now, it's about $8,500, somewhere around there. Anthony: 현재로서는 8,500달러 정도입니다.

Todd: You've got to be kidding me. Todd: 농담이겠죠.

Anthony: No. I wish I was, but-

Todd: Wow.

Anthony: I got into it as a hobbyist around 2014, a little before I moved abroad, and I got into what is known as mining. 앤서니: 저는 해외로 이주하기 조금 전인 2014년경에 취미로 채굴에 입문했고, 채굴이라는 것을 시작하게 되었습니다. To briefly explain what that is, is miners, people who call themselves miners, they buy special computers which are called ASICs, and that stands for application-specific integrated circuit. |||||||عمال المناجم|||||||||||||دوائر متكاملة مخصصة|||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||ASIC|||||||| 간단히 설명하자면, 채굴자, 즉 스스로를 채굴자라고 부르는 사람들은 ASIC이라고 불리는 특수 컴퓨터를 구입하며, 이는 애플리케이션별 집적 회로의 약자입니다. The application-specific part means that the chips that you're using in that computer can only be used for one specific purpose, and that purpose is to solve cryptographic problems, thus creating bitcoin. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||تشفير|||| |||||||칩||||||||||||||||||||||||| 애플리케이션별이라는 부분은 해당 컴퓨터에서 사용하는 칩은 한 가지 특정 목적으로만 사용할 수 있으며, 그 목적은 암호화 문제를 해결하여 비트코인을 생성하는 것임을 의미합니다. So that's what I was doing, I was running a mining computer. 그래서 저는 채굴용 컴퓨터를 운영하고 있었습니다.

Todd: So you say mining, like mining, you're getting little bits of bitcoin- Todd: 채굴이라고 하셨는데, 채굴처럼 비트코인을 조금씩 얻는다는 말씀이시군요.

Anthony: Yeah, exactly. أنتوني||

Todd: And it's tiny, tiny fragments. |||||قطع Todd: 그리고 아주 작은 조각들이죠.

Anthony: Exactly. أنتوني|

Todd: You have this chip in your computer. Todd: 컴퓨터에 이 칩이 있습니다. Your computer finds this cryptographic problem, so your computer, you get the reward by getting a small bit of bitcoin. ||||تشفير||||||||||||||| 컴퓨터가 이 암호화 문제를 발견하면 컴퓨터는 소량의 비트코인을 보상으로 받게 됩니다.

Anthony: Exactly. So it's called solo mining. 이를 솔로 마이닝이라고 합니다. You can do solo mining where you're only working with your, with whatever computers you have, but what's a lot more popular is pool mining, where you join a pool and you work together with a group of miners to solve one problem, and once the block is discovered, as they say, each block contains 50 bitcoins. 자신이 가지고 있는 컴퓨터로만 작업하는 솔로 마이닝도 가능하지만, 풀 마이닝은 풀에 가입하여 여러 채굴자와 함께 하나의 문제를 풀고, 블록이 발견되면 각 블록에 50 비트코인이 들어 있는 풀 마이닝이 훨씬 더 인기가 있습니다. So depending on the computing power that you were giving the pool, you get paid out in equal measure. ||||컴퓨팅|||||||||||||| 따라서 풀에 제공한 컴퓨팅 성능에 따라 동일한 금액을 지급받게 됩니다. Тож залежно від обчислювальної потужності, яку ви надали пулу, ви отримаєте виплату рівною мірою. so for people, that's a lot more profitable than solo mining because you could solo mine for years and never find a block. 따라서 몇 년 동안 혼자 채굴을 해도 블록을 찾지 못하는 것보다 훨씬 더 수익성이 높습니다. So, yeah.

Todd: Yeah. For somebody who has no concept of this, the first thing they're going to ask you is, well, who creates these blocks of ... Who makes this? 이에 대한 개념이 없는 사람이라면 가장 먼저 물어볼 것은 누가 이 블록을 만들었느냐는 질문일 것입니다.

Anthony: That's a good question.

Todd: It's like a "Where are we from?" It's like a chicken and an egg thing, so- 닭과 달걀의 문제와도 같습니다.

Anthony: Exactly, and that's a very interesting point to bring up because allegedly the creator of bitcoin is someone called Satoshi Nakamoto. ||||||||||||||||Bitcoin||||| ||||||||||||전해진 바에 따르면||||||||| 앤서니: 맞습니다. 비트코인의 창시자가 사토시 나카모토라는 사람이기 때문에 이 점을 언급하는 것은 매우 흥미로운 일입니다. And he is the alleged creator, as I said, but the reason I say alleged, is that no one has ever met this person. 그리고 그는 제가 말씀드린 것처럼 제작자로 추정되지만, 제가 추정이라고 말하는 이유는 아무도 이 사람을 만난 적이 없기 때문입니다. He's kind of a mystery, so no one knows his real identity. Some people have had made theories that it could be a group of people. It could be a specific person that, and that's just an alias, but no one really knows who this guy is and where he came from. |||||||||||별명|||||||||||||| 특정 인물일 수도 있고 가명일 수도 있지만 이 사람이 누구인지, 어디에서 왔는지는 아무도 모릅니다. Yeah, it's this really interesting concept.

Todd: So, then how did this take hold? Todd: 그렇다면 어떻게 이런 일이 일어났나요? How did this get a foot in society? |||||||사회 이것이 어떻게 사회에 발을 들여놓게 되었나요? You know what I mean, like get a foot in the door, I should say. 무슨 말인지 아시죠? 문에 발을 들여놓는다고 해야 할까요?

Anthony: Yeah.

Todd: So somebody creates this system. This person is a mystery, but then the internet grabbed onto it and said, "Hey, this is a really cool thing. 이 사람은 미스터리한 인물이지만, 인터넷이 이를 포착하고 "야, 이건 정말 멋진 일이야"라고 말했습니다. I want to buy this." 이걸 사고 싶어요." It's just it's quite interesting that this market came out of nowhere and now it's challenging traditional currency systems. 이 시장이 갑자기 등장해 기존 통화 시스템에 도전하고 있다는 점이 매우 흥미로울 뿐입니다.

Anthony: Exactly. This was before the internet was even really what it is now, but I think in like 2007, I think, 2007, 2008, there was a group of people called the Cypherpunks, and they were kind of like anarchistic programmers that were anti-establishment. 인터넷이 지금처럼 발달하기 전의 일이지만, 2007년, 2008년쯤에 사이퍼펑크라는 그룹이 있었는데, 그들은 반체제적인 무정부주의 프로그래머들 같았습니다. They ran this email mailing list, and they were just collaborating together talking about creating some kind of digital cash. 그들은 이메일 메일링 리스트를 운영하면서 일종의 디지털 현금을 만드는 것에 대해 함께 협력하고 있었습니다. Satoshi Nakamoto was a member of that mailing list, and that's where it kind of gained the underground movement and ... Really, I think there's what is called the white paper and that's the document that details everything about bitcoin, and it's really big. 사토시 나카모토는 그 메일링 리스트의 회원이었으며, 그곳에서 지하 운동이 시작되었고... 실제로 백서라는 것이 있는데, 비트코인에 대한 모든 것을 자세히 설명하는 문서인데, 정말 방대한 분량입니다. I'm not sure exactly how large, but it's like a book, and a lot of the reason it took off is people would read it and they would believe the technology, and they would try to sell it to other people because they believed in it really. 정확히 얼마나 큰지는 잘 모르겠지만, 책과 같아서 사람들이 이 책을 읽고 기술을 믿고 다른 사람들에게 판매하려고 했기 때문에 성공할 수 있었던 것 같습니다.

Todd: Wow. That's an interesting history, and so basically this community read this white paper and then it took off- 이 커뮤니티는 기본적으로 이 백서를 읽고 나서 시작되었습니다.

Anthony: From there.

Todd: And gained momentum and then that here we are today. |||모멘텀||||||| Todd: 그리고 탄력을 받아 오늘에 이르렀습니다.

Anthony: Yeah, but I think a big part of it, as you mentioned, is really just convincing people because really fiat currency, I mean, if you break it down, it's just paper, right? 앤서니: 네, 하지만 말씀하신 것처럼 정말 법정 화폐는 세분화하면 그냥 종이일 뿐이기 때문에 사람들을 설득하는 것이 가장 큰 부분이라고 생각합니다.

Todd: Yeah.

Anthony: It's just paper that the government makes. 앤서니: 정부가 만드는 종이일 뿐입니다.

Todd: It's an illusion. Todd: 환상이죠.

Anthony: Yeah, and the only reason that it has any value is because we trust in it. 앤서니: 네, 그리고 그것이 가치가 있는 유일한 이유는 우리가 그것을 신뢰하기 때문입니다. So, if I give you a $100 bill or whatever, you're going to trust that you can spend that to buy something, so it's the same thing with bitcoin. ||||||bill|||you are|||trust||||spend|||buy|||||||| 100달러짜리 지폐를 주면 그 지폐로 무언가를 살 수 있다고 믿게 되듯이 비트코인도 마찬가지입니다. It's a process of convincing people that because this technology makes something that is scarce, it cannot be replicated, it cannot be ... Without the proper means, it cannot be moved or taken, that it is a valid way of transferring value digitally. ||||convincing||||||||||||||||||||proper|||||moved||taken||||||||transferring||digitally ||||||||||||||희귀한||||복제될||||||||||||||||||||||| 이 기술은 희소하기 때문에 복제할 수 없고, 적절한 수단 없이는 이동하거나 가져갈 수 없으며, 디지털 방식으로 가치를 전송하는 유효한 방법이라는 점을 사람들에게 설득하는 과정입니다. Це процес переконання людей, що оскільки ця технологія створює дефіцитні речі, це не можна відтворити, це неможливо ... Без відповідних засобів це не можна перемістити чи взяти, що це дійсний спосіб цифрової передачі цінності. So that's a really big part of it and a lot of people have bought into it. 그래서 이 부분이 정말 큰 부분을 차지하며 많은 사람들이 이를 구매했습니다.

Todd: Wow. Todd|Wow Very interesting.

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