#245 Steve & Mark – Official Language Policies ||||Políticas oficiales de idioma #Nr. 245 Steve & Mark - Offizielle Sprachregelungen #245 Steve & Mark - Políticas lingüísticas oficiales #245 スティーブ＆マーク - 公式言語ポリシー #245 스티브와 마크 - 공식 언어 정책 #245 Steve & Mark - Políticas linguísticas oficiais #245 Steve & Mark - Resmi Dil Politikaları #245 Steve 和 Mark – 官方语言政策

Mark:    Hello and welcome back to EnglishLingQ, Mark here with Steve.

How’s it going today? どうですか|||

Steve:    Fine, Mark, nice to be here again, as usual. You know I was just in Boston visiting with your brother and his family. I was very impressed with Boston; it’s a very nice city. It combines sort of green parks and leafy neighborhoods and you have lakes, a river and then you have the ocean and old homes and historical buildings. |combine||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||leafy||||||||||||||||||| |birleştirir||||||yeşil||||||||||||||||||| |||||||arbolados|||||lagos||río|||||||||||| It’s really a very nice city and we enjoyed being with the family there.

Mark:    Right.

I never spent that much time in Boston. I’d kind of go in and out when I was there at university in Connecticut, but I know it always had the reputation of being a very nice city and what little I saw of it seemed very nice, but I never spent much time there or did any exploring in that area. ||||||||||||||Connecticut||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Steve:    I went to Harvard. ||||Harvard Of course you went to Yale and you used to play hockey against Harvard and so forth. Por supuesto que fuiste a Yale y solías jugar hockey contra Harvard y demás.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    But I went to Harvard. And, of course, it’s a nice campus; it’s not as nice as Yale. I went to the various language departments to exchange views. ||||||||değiş tokuş etmek| They looked at me with a certain amount of apprehension. |||||||||appréhension |||||||||endişe |||||||||inquietud Me miraron con cierta aprensión.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    Anyway, it was kind of interesting. Steve: De todos modos, fue algo interesante. It made me think of the U.S. and all the things that are happening in the U.S. and, of course, how President Obama is having to deal with all these problems of the economic crisis and yet he has an agenda to introduce reforms and one area, of course, is in education. |||||Obama|||||||||||||||||||||réformes|||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||reformas|||||||| It seems that he has some willingness to take on the teachers unions and all of the forces that want to sort of maintain the education system the way it is. Görünüşe göre öğretmen sendikalarını ve eğitim sistemini olduğu gibi sürdürmek isteyen tüm güçleri karşısına almaya istekli. And, really, the education system hasn’t changed over the last 100 years; it’s the same basic idea. We think that at LingQ we’re on the cutting edge of a different approach. ||||||||coupant||||| Creemos que en LingQ estamos a la vanguardia de un enfoque diferente.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    Most people inside the education establishment just want to pick and choose a few little elements of technology, but they’re not really prepared to change the model.

Mark:    Well they’re essentially looking at how can we do what we currently do in a more…I don’t want to say clever way, a more appealing way or a fancier way using technology, but they’re not really interested in new models. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||plus sophistiqué||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||çekici||||şık||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||atractivo||||más elegante||||||||||| Mark: Bueno, esencialmente están analizando cómo podemos hacer lo que hacemos actualmente de una manera más… no quiero decir inteligente, más atractiva o más elegante utilizando la tecnología, pero en realidad no están interesados en nuevos modelos. I mean I think if you look at innovation in industry, certainly that’s an industry that has not seen its share of advancements in the last 100 years. |||||||||||||||||pas|vu||||avancées|||| ||||||||||||||||||||payını|||||| Demek istediğim, sanayideki yeniliklere bakacak olursanız, bu sektörün son 100 yıldaki gelişmelerden nasibini almadığını görürsünüz.

Steve:    Well it’s so difficult because it’s so bureaucratic and such a big organization. There’s no real opportunity for innovation to happen, except that smaller company like LingQ and others. If we can somehow access…I mean most people don’t have a lot of money to spend. |||d'une manière ou d'une autre||||||||||||| ||||erişmek||||||||||||

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    I mean they’ve already paid for the education system through their taxes, so they don’t want to spend more money; although, private schools are popular with some people. And that’s where I think this whole idea of vouchers is a good idea. |||||||||bons|||| |||||||||kuponlar|||| Y ahí es donde creo que toda esta idea de los vales es una buena idea. İşte bu noktada kupon fikrinin iyi bir fikir olduğunu düşünüyorum. Where parents or other people who want to learn…  If the taxpayer is going to fund education then fund the learners more and fund the established institutions less. |||||||||||||||financer|||||||||||| |||||||||||vergi mükellefi||||||||||||||kurulmuş|| Ebeveynlerin ya da öğrenmek isteyen diğer insanların... Eğer vergi mükellefleri eğitimi finanse edecekse, o zaman öğrenenlere daha fazla, yerleşik kurumlara ise daha az fon sağlasın.

Mark:    Well that’s the thing. |eh bien||la| I mean anyone with innovation like ours, for instance, has to somehow break the stranglehold that the government monopolies have on education and, obviously, that’s a big challenge. |veux dire|||||||||||||emprise||||les monopoles||||||||| ||||||||||||||sıkı kontrol||||tekeller||||||||| ||||||||||||||control absoluto||||monopolios del gobierno||||||||| Me refiero a que cualquier persona con una innovación como la nuestra, por ejemplo, tiene que romper de alguna manera el dominio que los monopolios gubernamentales tienen sobre la educación y, obviamente, ese es un gran desafío. But a voucher system would go a long way toward enabling that because then, hopefully, you wouldn’t have to deal with the large institutions because anyone could open a school. ||un bon||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||yönünde|sağlamak||||||||||||||||||| ||sistema de vales||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Pero un sistema de cupones contribuiría en gran medida a permitir eso porque entonces, con suerte, no tendría que tratar con las grandes instituciones porque cualquiera podría abrir una escuela. Ancak kupon sistemi bunu sağlamak için uzun bir yol kat edecektir çünkü o zaman umarım büyük kurumlarla uğraşmak zorunda kalmazsınız çünkü herkes bir okul açabilir. As long as they were successful and people wanted to send their kids there and presumably there’d be some sort of a required curriculum, they can be a lot more flexible than the enormous educational institutions that exist today.

Steve:    Yeah. You know the problem is the commitment that any established institution has to the way it operates. ||||||||||institution||||||fonctionne ||||||taahhüt|||||||||| Usted sabe que el problema es el compromiso que tiene cualquier institución establecida con la forma en que opera. Biliyorsunuz ki sorun, herhangi bir yerleşik kurumun işleyiş biçimine olan bağlılığıdır. You know it’s interesting, right now in the car industry Fiat is going to come in and reform General Motors or at least Chrysler. ||||||||||Fiat|||||||réformer||Motors||||Chrysler

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So why couldn’t Chrysler reform Chrysler? Why does it take Fiat?

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    Well often it does take a different perspective to bring about change. |||||almak|||||||

Mark:    And there’s no guarantee that Fiat is going to make it happen.

Steve:    No guarantee.

Mark:    Because Daimler-Benz tried to reform Chrysler, too, and that didn’t go so well. ||Daimler|Benz|||||||||||

Steve:    No.

But it reminds me of an interesting discussion I had this morning. There was a recent report done in Toronto showing that employers…  What they did, they sent out job applications, one where the applicant had an obviously English name and then the others had either Chinese names or Indian names and there were more call backs, like 16% call backs for the English names and 11% call backs for the names that appeared not to be English names. ||||||||||||||||||||||başvuran|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||parecían no ser|||||

So I was speaking to someone who works with the Immigration Department and I said to them, I said you know it’s not very useful to keep on putting out these negative reports, it doesn’t encourage the immigrants. Así que estaba hablando con alguien que trabaja con el Departamento de Inmigración y les dije, les dije que saben que no es muy útil seguir publicando estos informes negativos, no anima a los inmigrantes. There is a problem with the ability to communicate and after 10 years of a lot of immigrants in the workplace, the employer is…there may be some prejudice employers, but largely the employers want someone who can communicate. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||prejuicio|||||||||| If you continue to send out the message that the employers are prejudice you’re just going to discourage the immigrants. ||||||||||||préjugés||||||| I said what you need to do is to have a website where you are promoting the examples; using the examples of the successful immigrants. I, of course, suggested we could tie this to LingQ and they could learn from it and blah, blah, blah. ||||||vincular esto||||||||||||| He said to me, you know what -- speaking from someone within the government who is sort of in sympathy with what the political leaders want to do – he said it’s impossible to move the bureaucracy. Bana dedi ki, biliyor musunuz - hükümet içinde siyasi liderlerin yapmak istediklerine sempati duyan biri olarak konuşuyorum - bürokrasiyi harekete geçirmenin imkansız olduğunu söyledi. The bureaucracy has no interest in doing this kind of thing. The bureaucracy is interested in making the problem seem bigger so that they can get more funding. ||||||||||||||||finansman

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    This is from a person that’s in government, he’s telling me this. But a person who was brought in, he’s saying, they’re interested in maintaining the present system, sort of pointing out the problems to justify more money for more of the same kinds of programs. |||||amené|||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||haklı çıkarmak|||||||||| Pero una persona que fue contratada, dice, está interesada en mantener el sistema actual, señalando los problemas para justificar más dinero para más programas del mismo tipo. So he said try to get a private sector person to fund that kind of initiative. |||||||||||||||girişim I just thought it was an interesting reflection.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    I think this is true in education, in whatever, as I’ve pointed out. Steve: Creo que esto es cierto en la educación, en lo que sea, como he señalado. That people are always saying 40% of the population can’t read and all of these sorts of dramatic scenarios in order to get more funding. ||||||||||||||||||||||plus|financement The major motivation is always get more funding not to improve what we’re doing. |||||obtenir|plus|financement||||||

Mark:    I mean I guess it all comes back to…not to keep beating on the same tom-tom all the time, but you know this whole issue of for profit and not for profit and you’re for profit and you’re just in it because you want to make money. |||||||||||||battre|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||sanırım||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Mark: Sanırım her şey dönüp dolaşıp aynı noktaya geliyor... Sürekli aynı şeyi söylemek istemiyorum ama kâr amaçlı ve kâr amaçlı olmayan meselesini biliyorsunuz ve siz kâr amaçlıyorsunuz ve sadece para kazanmak istediğiniz için bu işin içindesiniz. Fundamentally it doesn’t matter what business or industry you’re in, for profit, not for profit, charity, environmental cause, government department, you’re motivated to do better. ||||||||||||||||environnementale|||||||| |||||||||||||||hayır kurumu||||||||| Temelde hangi iş ya da sektörde olursanız olun, kâr amaçlı, kâr amaçlı olmayan, hayır kurumu, çevresel amaç, devlet dairesi, daha iyisini yapmak için motive olursunuz. That’s what motivates people, so it’s not surprising that bureaucrats are motivated to increase the amount of money that their department gets, increase the number of employees, increase their pay. I mean whether they like to believe that they’re for profit or not, it doesn’t matter what field you’re in, the basic motivation is there for everybody. And so whether you start out with the best of intentions in whatever field, eventually it starts to become more about what’s going to be good for me. ||||||||||niyetler|||||||||||||||||

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    That seems to be the way it goes.

Steve:    Well I mean every organization is concerned about what’s good for that particular organization.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So, in a way, the smaller the organization, the greater number of different organizations, the greater the flexibility. I mean I love public facilities and we’ve said this before. A nice park is great. I don’t mind the fact that they plant flowers here and we get to, you know, and the environment that we live in…  I’m not in favor of cutting all public facilities down to zero, by no means. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||réduire||||||||| No me importa el hecho de que planten flores aquí y lleguemos a, ya sabes, y el entorno en el que vivimos… No estoy a favor de reducir todas las instalaciones públicas a cero, de ninguna manera. I think it’s a great idea to have a lot of things that are public and free, like parks, like libraries and so forth. Creo que es una gran idea tener muchas cosas públicas y gratuitas, como parques, bibliotecas, etc.

But governments don’t only bring us good things and, certainly, very few wars are started by private industry. Wars tend to be started by governments.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    And so we can maybe move on to another subject, which is sort of some of the world hot spots. ||||||pasar a|||||||||||||conflictivos|puntos críticos Steve: Y para que podamos pasar a otro tema, que es una especie de algunos de los puntos calientes del mundo. We have the situation in Sri Lanka where, certainly for a long time, I think in Canada people were not in sympathy with the Tamil Tigers because they were a pretty vicious terrorist organization. ||||||||||||||||||||||||Tamil||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||Tigres Tamiles||||||||

Now we’re seeing in the paper that because the Sri Lankan Government has been able to kill the leader (I won’t even try to pronounce his name) they are now carrying on as if the Tamils don’t exist. ||||||||||sri-lankais||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||Lanka|Hükümet|||||||||||||||||||||||||| Şimdi gazetede görüyoruz ki Sri Lanka Hükümeti lideri öldürmeyi başardığı için (adını telaffuz etmeye bile çalışmayacağım) şimdi Tamiller yokmuş gibi davranmaya devam ediyorlar. Apparently there has been tremendous killing of women and children and dismembering and the Head of the sort of Sri Lankan Government is sort of being presented as a king and a god and, yeah, we defeated the Tamils in this tremendous sort of triumphalism;  whereas, 15% of their population is Tamil. |||||||||||démembrement|||||||||||||||||||||||||défait||||||||triomphalisme|||||| |||||||||||parçalama|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||zafercilik|||||| |||||||||||desmembramiento|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||triunfalismo tremendo||||||

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    I mean, you know, is there no room there for some sense of, okay, they lost, the Tamil Tigers were defeated, but still we want to recognize them as a valid independent group? |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||geçerli|| It’s pretty discouraging to read the news coming out of Sri Lanka these days. ||cesaret kırıcı|||||||||||

Mark:    I would imagine, though, that…I mean if that’s the government, at least, expressing those positions, I would imagine that that reflects the position of the general population.

Steve:    Sure.

Mark:    I mean that’s been a long, drawn out conflict and the Tamils have been reeking a lot of havoc there. |||||||||||||||répandant||||dommages| |||||||||||||||||||havoc| |||||||uzun süren||||||||salmış||||zarar| |||||||prolongado||||||||causando||||estragos| Mark: Quiero decir que ha sido un conflicto largo y prolongado y los tamiles han estado causando muchos estragos allí. Mark: Yani bu çok uzun süren bir çatışma oldu ve Tamiller orada büyük bir tahribat yarattı. I don’t know how many people have died, but many of the Sri Lankans -- the majority there -- have been affected. So I would imagine that now that it’s all finally said and done there’s a certain amount of gloating going on. ||||||||||||||||||sevinç gösterme|| ||||||||||||||||||regodeo|| Así que me imagino que ahora que todo está finalmente dicho y hecho, hay una cierta cantidad de regodeos. Bu nedenle, her şey nihayet söylendiğine ve yapıldığına göre, belli bir miktar kına yakıldığını tahmin ediyorum. Not that that excuses the behavior versus the Tamils, but I mean it’s not really that surprising that would happen. |||maz|||||||||||||||| Bu Tamillere karşı davranışları mazur göstermez ama bunun olması o kadar da şaşırtıcı değil.

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    You would hope that the people in charge, who should hopefully have a better sense of things, would want to make amends with the Tamils and try and insure that this kind of thing doesn’t keep on happening, but that doesn’t look like that’s the case. ||||||||||||||||||||||des excuses|||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||barışmak|||||||sağlamak||||||||||||devam etmez||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||hacer las paces|||||||||||||||||||||||| Mark: Bazı şeyleri daha iyi anlaması gereken sorumlu kişilerin Tamillerle aralarını düzeltmek isteyeceklerini ve bu tür şeylerin olmaya devam etmemesini sağlamaya çalışacaklarını umarsınız, ancak durum böyle görünmüyor.

Steve:    It’s pretty discouraging.

Mark:    Yeah.

Especially such a small minority, I mean it’s 15%. I mean it’s not small, but you vastly outnumber them. |||||||vous|les dépassez| |||||||çokça|sayıca üstünüz| ||||||||superas en número| Quiero decir que no es pequeño, pero los superáis en número. It’s not that difficult to be a little…

Steve:    …accommodating… |uyumlu |complaciente Steve: … complaciente…

Mark:    …forgiving and try and reach an agreement of some kind.

Steve:    I mean we live with the situation here in Canada where we have (whatever it is) 23-4% of the population that’s French-speaking and throughout our history there have been struggles between the French-speaking and the English-speaking populations. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||luchas||||||||| I’m sure the French-speaking, you know, had hoped that they would have a bigger share of say Western Canada as it was developed… ||||||||||||||||||l'Ouest||||| ||||||||||||||||||Batı|||o|| Eminim Fransızca konuşanlar, örneğin Batı Kanada'nın kalkınmasında daha büyük bir paya sahip olmayı ummuşlardır...

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    …and they would have loved not to have lost the Battle of Quebec.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    However, they’ve been able to sort of create a position for themselves, one that’s not always appreciated by all English Canadians. ||||||||||||||o da||||||| I mean there continues to be a certain amount of friction there, but basically, you know, I think the relationship is quite mature. ||||||||||de friction|||||||||||| ||||||||||sürtünme|||||||||||| When you see the way minorities are treated in places; I mean Turkey is another example. |||||azınlıklar||davranılıyor|||||||| |||||minorías étnicas|||||||||| I mean we have the whole situation in the Balkans and lots of places where there seems to be…I’m not that familiar with the situation in Europe and in Belgium and in Spain. Demek istediğim, Balkanlar'da ve pek çok yerde durum böyle görünüyor... Avrupa'daki, Belçika'daki ve İspanya'daki duruma o kadar aşina değilim. Probably a greater effort to try to accommodate regional, you know, cultures, yet without having to give up the integrity of the whole country. |||||||||||||||||||intégrité|||| |||||||uyum sağlamak|bölgesel|||||||||||bütünlüğü|||| Muhtemelen, ülkenin bütünlüğünden vazgeçmek zorunda kalmadan, bölgesel kültürlere uyum sağlamaya çalışmak için daha büyük bir çaba. Not easy to do because you probably have the hotheads on both sides. |||||||||têtes chaudes||| ||||||muhtemelen|||ateşli başlar||| |||||||||cabezas calientes||| No es fácil de hacer porque probablemente tengas los exaltados en ambos lados.

Mark:    I mean I think that has always been and will always be. |||||||||||toujours| I don’t think there’s much that can be done.

Steve:    No.

Mark:    I mean there’s always our group versus your group, it’s the basic human condition. ||||||||||||||durumu

Steve:    Well, that’s right.

Mark:    And, you know, once we separate our group from your group then we’ll find separations within our own group that we can get excited about. ||||||||||votre|||||des séparations|||||||||| |||||||||||||||separations|||||||||| |||||||||||||||ayrılıklar|||||||||| |||||||||||||||separaciones internas||||||||||

That reminds me, today in the paper I read an article put out by the (whatever he’s called) Official Languages Commissioner or something in Canada.

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    You didn’t hear this?

Steve:    Okay, what nonsense did he have to say? Steve: Bien, ¿qué tontería tenía que decir?

Mark:    He said that the Vancouver 2010 has to do something quickly… |||||Vancouver||||| Mark: Vancouver 2010'un bir an önce bir şeyler yapması gerektiğini söyledi...

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    …or else the games will not be fully bilingual for all. |||||||||iki dilli|| Mark: …o de lo contrario los juegos no serán completamente bilingües para todos.

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    That the French Canadians will not receive the proper French signage and so on during the Olympics. |||||||||||signalisation|||||| |||||||||||işaretleme|||||| |||||||||||señalización en francés|||||| Mark: Fransız Kanadalıların Olimpiyatlar sırasında uygun Fransızca tabelaları vb. alamayacakları. Like, for instance, they raided the Vancouver Airport, the worst airport in Canada for displaying French prominently. ||||ont attaqué||||||||||afficher||de manière proéminente ||||raided|||||||||||| ||||baskın yaptı||||||||||||belirgin bir şekilde ||||asaltaron||||||||||exhibir||de manera destacada Como, por ejemplo, allanaron el aeropuerto de Vancouver, el peor aeropuerto de Canadá por exhibir el francés de manera prominente. Örneğin, Fransızca'yı belirgin bir şekilde sergilediği için Kanada'nın en kötü havalimanı olan Vancouver Havalimanı'na baskın düzenlediler. I mean how many French people are coming to the Olympics?

Steve:    You know it’s so silly, it’s so silly. |||||stupide||| I mean the Vancouver Airport has French.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    It has lots of bilingual stuff, but it also has Chinese, it has Korean, Spanish, it reflects the travelers that are coming through that airport.

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    I mean if the Olympics were held…I don’t know what happened when they had the Olympics in Montreal. |||||||celebrados|||||||||||| Steve: Quiero decir que si se celebraran las Olimpiadas... No sé qué pasó cuando se celebraron las Olimpiadas en Montreal.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    But I think if they had the Olympics in Quebec City…

Mark:    …there’d be a lot more French than English.

Steve:    And I don’t mind that. Steve: Y no me importa eso.

Mark:    Absolutely not.

Steve:    Because that’s what they are. If they had the Olympics in, I don’t know some part of Quebec where there was…I mean Montreal is, whatever, 40% English-speaking, but if they’re in an area that’s predominantly French-speaking, that’s their local color. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||ağırlıklı olarak|||||| If they have it in the German-speaking part of Switzerland or in the French or the Italian-speaking part of Switzerland, let them show off their local language. What’s the problem?

Mark:    I mean this clown has got to justify his salary, I guess. ||||palyaço|||||||| ||||payaso|||||||| But, realistically, how many people from Quebec are going to come here and say, hey, how come everything is in English? |||||||||||||||||tout||| I thought everybody would speak French to me. I mean everybody realizes nobody speaks French in Vancouver. Everybody in Quebec…nobody expects to be spoken to and handled in French, it’s just solely this guy and his department. ||||s'attend||||||traité|||||||||| |||||||||||||||only||||| |||||||||||||||sadece||||| Todo el mundo en Quebec… nadie espera que le hablen ni le traten en francés, es solo este tipo y su departamento.

Steve:    I mean let’s face it; Whistler is an English-speaking town in an English-speaking province. Now, French will have pride of place in the Olympics because it was Pierre Coubertin… ||||fierté||||||||||Coubertin |||tendrá|orgullo de lugar||||||||||Pierre Coubertin Ahora, el francés tendrá un lugar de honor en los Juegos Olímpicos porque fue Pierre Coubertin...

Mark:    Sure, yeah.

Steve:    …who started the Olympic movement and they always use French and I’m sure that they’re falling over backwards to find people who can speak French and blah, blah, blah. |||||||||||||||||||||des gens|||||||| ||||||||||||||||||haciendo lo imposible|||||||||||

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    But, I mean let’s not get carried away. |||||||emportés| Pero no nos dejemos llevar.

Mark:    Yeah.

No, I know, but the headline was like, you know… |||||titre||||

Steve:    …or else.

Mark:    Vancouver 2010 has to do something now or else.

Steve:    Well, you know it reminds me of…I mean people are so, you know, myopic. |||||||||||||||kısa görüşlü He is the Commissioner for Languages, so what’s important for him is important for everyone.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    No.

That’s a childish, stupid thing to say Mr. Commissioner.

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    And if the tables were turned and somebody from Ottawa went into Quebec and said you have to have more English signs, there would have been hue and cry in Quebec. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||hue|||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||hue|||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||olmuş|fırtına|||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||alboroto|||| Steve: Y si se cambiaran las tornas y alguien de Ottawa fuera a Quebec y dijera que hay que tener más letreros en inglés, habría habido alboroto en Quebec. Steve: Eğer durum tersine dönseydi ve Ottawa'dan biri Quebec'e gidip daha fazla İngilizce tabela bulundurmanız gerektiğini söyleseydi, Quebec'te kıyamet kopardı.

Mark:    Yeah, for sure. Marcos: Sí, seguro.

Steve:    This is our chance to show off who we are and, because in Quebec they’re far more sort of cultural nationalists than English Canadians, they would specifically want to reduce the English content and show off their French. |||||||||||||||||||||nationalistes||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||nacionalistas culturales||||||||||||||||| And go to it! ¡Y ve a por ello!

Mark:    Absolutely. Actually, that reminds me. Another thing he said in this article was that Supreme Court Judges in Canada should have to be bilingual. |||||||||||juges||||||| |||||||||Yüksek|||||||||

Steve:    Right.

Mark:    Because sometimes they have to write legislation in both languages and we have to make sure that the legislation is the same in both languages. |||||||législation|||||||||||||||||les deux|langues |||||||mevzuat||||||||||||||||||

Steve:    You know it’s an interesting point because most Canadians are not bilingual. And I would say that the vast majority of English Canadians are not bilingual. Like I don’t think there’s 10%... Como que no creo que haya un 10%...

Mark:    …truly bilingual. Mark: …verdaderamente bilingüe.

Steve:    Truly, about five percent. Steve: En verdad, alrededor del cinco por ciento.

Mark:    Yeah.

Steve:    And I have, of course, talked about this because the way we teach languages in school is a joke, it’s a joke. It’s a colossal waste of money, it’s a disgrace. ||colossal||||||une honte ||devasa||||||utanç ||Es un desperdicio colosal de dinero, es una desgracia.||||||

Mark:    Although I’m surprised that people that you meet from Ottawa, a lot of them speak French. ||||||||conoces||||||||

Steve:    Oh, from Ottawa?

Mark:    Yeah, and, obviously, from Montreal.

Steve:    Oh, sure, but they’re surrounded. |||||entourés Steve: Oh, claro, pero están rodeados. I mean that’s different.

Mark:    Yeah, that’s right.

Steve:    And so, obviously, people who are from…  Ottawa is 30 or 40% French.

Mark:    Oh, it’s that many?

Steve:    Oh, it’s that many, yeah.

Mark:    Oh, okay.

Steve:    And in Ottawa people are conscious of one day I might want to work for the Federal Government.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So French has a relevance there for them and they can use it. |||||önemi|||||||| They can hear the radio, they can read newspapers. They’re an hour from Montreal.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    They’re across the boarder from Quebec. ||||frontière|| ||al otro lado||frontera|| Steve: Están al otro lado de la frontera de Quebec.

Mark:    Yeah, right.

Steve:    Yeah, that I can understand. But it’s not realistic to expect that people in Vancouver are going to be bilingual.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So when you say that for this position, like to be a Supreme Court Judge, you’re going to have your whole career…you’re living and working in British Columbia, you have no dealings with anyone who speaks French. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||ilişkilerin||||| Steve: Así que cuando dices que para este puesto, como ser juez de la Corte Suprema, vas a tener toda tu carrera... vives y trabajas en la Columbia Británica, no tienes tratos con nadie que hable francés.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    You are an outstanding judge. ||||exceptionnel| ||||exceptional| ||||olağanüstü| You are a brilliant legal mind. |||||esprit ||||hukuki|

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    You’re a prime candidate to be on the Supreme Court, but all your life you should be on LingQ learning French so that when you reach the age of 60 they can appoint you to the Supreme Court. |||excellent|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||birinci|aday||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||nombrar||||| Steve: Eres un candidato principal para estar en la Corte Suprema, pero toda tu vida deberías estar en LingQ aprendiendo francés para que cuando cumplas 60 años puedan nombrarte para la Corte Suprema.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    I mean I just think that’s not realistic.

Mark:    No.

Steve:    That’s not realistic. They can have the trial in one or other languages, they can provide translation, they can provide interpretation and I don’t think that it should be required to be a French-speaking judge. |||||||||||||||||tercüme||||||||||||||| ||||juicio||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Mark:    Absolutely ridiculous. Translation is not that difficult a thing to do. La traducción no es algo tan difícil de hacer. You can have a triple translation done if you really need to. ||||triple||||||| ||||üçlü||||||| Puede hacer una traducción triple si realmente lo necesita.

Steve:    And I think with regard to politicians, again, there’s no point in having a rule that you must be bilingual. Steve: Y creo que con respecto a los políticos, nuevamente, no tiene sentido tener una regla de que debes ser bilingüe. The fact of the matter is that if you can’t speak French you’re probably not going to get votes in Quebec.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    So that the reality of the situation is going to mean that people who go into politics are all going to work on their French. |||||||||||||||||siyaset|||||||| Steve: Yani durumun gerçekliği, siyasete giren insanların hepsinin Fransızcaları üzerinde çalışacakları anlamına geliyor.

Mark:    Right.

Steve:    You know. But, no, I think that’s perfectly silly. But he says all kinds of silly things. He said that they should make it a rule that everyone graduating from a university in Canada should speak French.

Mark:    Yeah.

So nobody is going to graduate?

Steve:    No one is going to graduate. But you’re going to force people? Here, you can’t speak French? Come here! Listen to me now. Here’s French, learn it. You know it just doesn’t work that way.

Mark:    No.

Steve:    You can’t force people.

Mark:    No.

Anyway…

Steve:    Anyway.

Mark:    Anyway, we’re paying for that guy.

Steve:    So, yeah. Well I should be the Commissioner for Languages in Canada!

Mark:    I know.

Steve:    I’d change a few things.

Mark:    Start a campaign…

Steve:    Start a campaign.

Mark:    …on the Internet, a petition. |||||pétition |||||dilekçe |||||petición en línea

Steve:    Learn Spanish.

Mark:    Anyway, with that we’ll sign off for today.

Steve:    Okay.

Mark:    We’ll pick it up again next week. Mark: Lo recogeremos de nuevo la próxima semana.

Steve:    Thank you for listening.