Veleno, Episodio Extra - Una notte lunga vent'anni (2)

Episodio Extra - Una notte lunga vent'anni (2)

Sonia aveva una vita molto simile a quella di Marta.

Anche lei infatti a 9 anni viveva sola con la madre Daniela, in una casa di Finale Emilia.

Si erano trasferite lì da poco, dopo la separazione dei genitori. Daniela aveva denunciato il marito Massimo perché la picchiava, e dopo la separazione Sonia era rimasta con lei.

__Live Sonia: Ero una bambina serena, ero molto timida, chiusa, però ero tranquilla. Avevo le mie amicizie, ero brava a scuola… una bambina normale.

Live Pablo: E con la mamma che rapporto avevi?

Live Sonia: Io la adoravo e basta...

Un giorno, però, una cuginetta di Sonia era stata allontanata per sospetti abusi e coinvolta nelle indagini contro il misterioso gruppo di pedofili a cui la Procura stava dando la caccia.

La piccola era stata presa in carico dal servizio di neuropsichiatria, e dopo qualche mese, aveva raccontato che praticamente tutta la sua famiglia faceva parte della setta satanica, e che di notte lei e i suoi cuginetti venivano portati nei cimiteri.

Tra loro c'era anche Sonia.

Anche in questo caso i racconti della piccola erano stati creduti.

Parola per parola.

Live Daniela: Si son presentati alle sei del mattino, i carabinieri. “Signora dobbiamo portarle via sua figlia”. “Come portarla via?”.

Live Sonia: Ero a letto, niente, suona il citofono, io sento delle voci, mia madre che inizia a parlare, a piangere… niente… ho iniziato a piangere anche io...

Live Pablo: Perché hai iniziato a piangere?

Live Sonia: Perché avevo capito che c'era qualcosa che non andava, perché mia cugina era stata già allontanata da diversi mesi e… avevo paura già che mi portassero via… e infatti è successo...

Live Daniela: C'era anche una… una donna insieme a loro, mi ha detto “Signora la tranquillizzi perché è molto agitata...

Live Daniela: “Le prepari uno zainetto con dentro alcune cose”… “Come alcune cose? Dove dovete portarla?”

Live Sonia: Mia mamma mi ha fatto cambiare, con la poliziotta in camera che mi guardava… mi ha preparato un cambio, messo nello zaino di scuola…

Live Daniela: “Vestiti che vai con questi signori che hanno bisogno”...

Live Sonia: Mi sono sentita abbandonata per il modo in cui mi ha salutata, perché mi ha detto “Torno a prenderti stasera” e io la aspettavo...

Sonia era salita in macchina.

Accanto a lei c'era un'assistente sociale, Odette Magri. La donna le aveva spiegato che sarebbe stata portata in una casa-famiglia vicino a Forlì.

Live Sonia: … Perché “avevamo bisogno di essere protetti”. Io non ho detto niente. Io l'unica domanda che ho fatto è stata se in casa-famiglia c'erano le finestre, perché avevo paura di essere chiusa in una prigione al buio…

Sulla scrivania di Sonia era rimasto un diario con la copertina nera.

Il segnalibro è fermo sulla pagina di quel giorno, sulla quale la bambina aveva scritto per l'ultima volta i compiti da fare: “Studia la Grecia”.

Dopo l'allontanamento di Marta, la madre Francesca non aveva retto. Era dimagrita e sciupata. Aveva perso il lavoro. E di Marta non sapeva più nulla.

Poi, a settembre, quando il Tribunale dei Minori l'aveva convocata, sul suo fascicolo la donna aveva notato un post-it giallo che qualche addetto aveva distrattamente lasciato attaccato al faldone, con il nuovo indirizzo dove risiedeva la figlia: il Cenacolo Francescano.

La donna ci era andata subito.

Appena arrivata, aveva fatto il giro della struttura, e attraverso una cancellata coperta da una rete verde aveva intravisto sua figlia, che giocava da sola a pochi metri di distanza.

Live Marta: Ricordo di aver sentito una voce che mi chiamava, quindi io l'ho subito riconosciuta anche se in realtà non riuscivo proprio a vederla bene perché c'erano di mezzo non so se alberi, siepi... eh ... io non mi ricordo bene la mia reazione… cioè non so se ero felice, triste, probabilmente un pò di felicità, un po' di agitazione… però penso di essere andata subito dalla suora a dire “Guarda che lì c'è la mia mamma!”

La responsabile del Cenacolo, Suor Annarita Ferrari, si era infuriata per quella visita inaspettata di Francesca e l'aveva mandata via in malo modo, denunciandola alla Polizia, che il giorno dopo l'aveva arrestata per inquinamento di prove.

Dopo alcuni giorni di carcere, Francesca si era ritrovata sola in casa, ai domiciliari.

Live Marta: Mi ricordo che lei aveva lasciato alla suora una bambolina con uno zainetto e… c'era dentro un bigliettino che, non ricordo cosa c'era scritto, però tipo “Ti voglio bene, torno presto”, una cosa del genere. Però io lei non l'ho… non l'ho vista.

Dopo essere finita nella casa-famiglia di Forlì, anche Sonia era stata portata al Cenacolo Francescano.

Live Sonia: E lì ho conosciuto Valeria Donati, la mia psicologa.

Valeria Donati, vi ricorderete, era una giovane professionista a contratto presso i Servizi Sociali di Mirandola, ed era stata la prima a sospettare degli abusi subiti da Dario e poi dagli altri bambini.

Il suo ruolo, all'interno della ‘vicenda pedofili', era stato determinante. Durante i processi gli avvocati della difesa l'avevano accusata di aver fortemente suggestionato i piccoli nel corso dei colloqui, inducendoli ad accusare i genitori.

Di quegli incontri con la psicologa, a quanto pare, non esiste nessuna registrazione. Sonia però ne ha un ricordo indelebile.

Live Sonia: Mi ha detto che mia madre non era brava perché non mi proteggeva, e praticamente era d'accordo con mio padre che mi faceva quelle cose, che abusava di me, che mi portava nei cimiteri, mia madre lo copriva.

Live Pablo: Tuo papà ha mai abusato di te?

Live Sonia: Mai, assolutamente.

Sonia aveva più volte chiesto alla Donati e alle sue colleghe di rivedere la mamma...

Live Sonia: Mi rispondevano che non potevo… anzi, io mi dovevo dimenticare di lei, perché finchè non… non raccontavo quello che raccontavano anche gli altri bambini, non l'avrei mai più rivista.

La stessa cosa che a quanto pare veniva ripetuta anche a Marta...

Live Marta: Io chiedevo anche di poterla rivedere e mi hanno sempre detto che non era possibile. Valeria Donati in primis mi ha sempre detto che non era possibile rivederla… Perché lei comunque mi diceva che comunque mi aveva fatto delle brutte cose e... che bisognava prima risolvere questa cosa poi, forse, dopo... Però questo dopo non è mai arrivato…

Entrambe le bimbe erano poi state convocate da Valeria Donati e dalla responsabile del servizio minori, Monica Benati...

Live Sonia: … e mi hanno spiegato nei dettagli che una dottoressa avrebbe dovuto guardare la mia patatina, il mio sedere, per vedere se c'erano dei segni di violenza.

La dottoressa è Cristina Maggioni della Mangiagalli di Milano.

Era la dottoressa che aveva sostenuto che l'imene di una bambina vittima di violenze potesse ricrescere con l'arrivo delle prime mestruazioni.

Live Pablo: Pensa di aver fatto bene il suo lavoro? Live Maggioni: Vuole radiarmi dall'ordine? Live Pablo: No, non mi interessa... Live Maggioni: Vuole impedirmi di fare il medico per il resto dei miei giorni?

Sonia racconta che la Donati e la Benati l'avevano messa in guardia prima di entrare nello studio della Maggioni.

Live Sonia: Mi hanno detto che se non tirava fuori la macchina fotografica non c'era problema, invece se avessero fatto delle fotografie, lì mi dovevo preoccupare. Perché voleva dire che i segni di violenza c'erano...

Mi ricordo che mentre mi visitava mi spiegava quello che stava per fare... e… poi hanno tirato fuori la macchina fotografica...

Live Pablo: E tu lì hai... che cosa hai provato?

Live Sonia: (pausa) Rabbia… perché non… non poteva essere vero.

La reazione di Sonia viene descritta anche nei verbali dell'assistente sociale che l'aveva accompagnata, Odette Magri:

“La bambina era molto tesa, visibilmente in difficoltà… l'unica cosa che ha detto alla fine è stata: “Io da quei dottori non ci voglio più andare”.

Marta, all'età di 8 anni, era stata nello stesso studio.

Ma alla visita aveva reagito diversamente.

Live Marta: Dunque... io mi ricordo che mi aveva… mi aveva accompagnato una delle suore. e… mi ricordo di una dottoressa, di una visita abbastanza veloce...

Veloce perché la bambina non aveva manifestato particolari resistenze a farsi visitare. Anzi, la sua disponibilità aveva subito colpito la dottoressa Maggioni, che nel verbale di una delle udienze aveva commentato:

Marta è stata visitata abbastanza bene, anzi talmente bene, che sul mio foglietto c'è scritto “bravissima”, le hanno fatto gli applausi… questa esagerazione di disponibilità non è normale, la trovo in qualcuna, ma solo quando sono state molto abusate.

Era come se la ginecologa avesse dedotto che la bambina era stata violentata semplicemente osservando il suo comportamento prima dell'esame.

Dopo la visita la Maggioni e il suo collega, il dr. Bruni, si erano avvicinati alla piccola Marta, e le avevano detto che c'erano dei segni che indicavano che le era stato fatto del male.

Live Alessia: E tu?

Live Marta: E io ci credevo, che potevo fare? L'ha visto la dottoressa, come fa a dire delle bugie una dottoressa?

Solo successivamente, a processo, alcuni medici legali si diranno in disaccordo con le conclusioni della Maggioni su Marta e Sonia.

Per loro gli abusi che la ginecologa aveva riscontrato non erano affatto evidenti. Ma in quel momento c'erano solo le valutazioni della Maggioni.

E l'esito della visita di Marta, noto solo a pochissime persone, era stato subito spifferato alla stampa.

Il giorno dopo, la mamma Francesca - sola in casa - aveva acceso Televideo per controllare le notizie, e si era ritrovata a leggere con il cuore in gola che sua figlia aveva subito violenze sessuali gravissime, che probabilmente ne avrebbero pregiudicato la possibilità di avere figli da adulta.

La donna a questo punto era impazzita. Non poteva uscire di casa, non poteva chiamare nessuno.

Qualche giorno dopo, domenica 28 settembre, aveva fatto una telefonata alle uniche persone che in quel momento potevano davvero capirla: i vicini di casa Federico Scotta e la moglie Kaempet.

Live Scotta: Suona il telefono di casa… e dall'altra parte la Francesca. Aveva una voce stranissima: “Vi ho voluto tanto bene, mi dispiace che le cose finiscano così. Addio”. E ha chiuso il telefono.

Allarmato, Scotta aveva chiamato subito la polizia.

Poco dopo, una volante si era fermata all'angolo fra la Statale 12 e via Pascoli. Un agente aveva alzato lo sguardo e aveva visto Francesca a cavalcioni sulla ringhiera del balcone al quinto piano.

Live poliziotto: Siamo arrivati là… c'era la porta che era… non era chiusa a chiave, e c'era la catenella attaccata, e dalla porta si vedeva che c'era lei a cavallo della balconata. Non abbiamo fatto in tempo neanche a entrare che lei si era già lanciata.

Un volo di quasi quindici metri.

Era morta ore dopo all'ospedale, da sola.

Nell'appartamento al quinto piano era stato trovato un bigliettino sul tavolo della cucina. Francesca aveva scritto: “Non ce la faccio più, sono innocente”.

Live Marta: Io mi ricordo solo che mi hanno detto “La tua mamma se n'è andata” e io ho detto “Eh, dove è andata?” “No, non è che è andata via, è che è morta”... e poi di altro, di altro non ricordo.

Però ricordo di aver pianto.

Nei verbali dell'assistente sociale Odette Magri, quel momento viene ricostruito secondo per secondo.

Le dipendenti dei Servizi non si erano limitate a dirle che sua mamma non c'era più. Avevano anche insinuato che si fosse suicidata perché era stata scoperta e non aveva più via di scampo.

Un dubbio che nessuno aveva diritto di metterle in testa, perché in quel momento contro sua madre non esisteva nessuna prova.

Live Marta: Questo è stato anche un mio dubbio che io mi sono portata dietro da sempre. Cioè: se mi madre sapeva di essere innocente, di non aver fatto nulla, perché si è buttata giù dal quinto piano?

Però, anche lì, vai a pensare cosa c'è nella testa di una persona, che magari aveva pure i suoi problemi, magari non era… non era completamente lucida.

I servizi sociali e la procura si erano ritrovati davanti a una situazione complicata.

C'era il cadavere di una madre. E una bambina orfana che non l'aveva mai accusata.

__Live Marta: Sicuramente le psicologhe, anzi soprattutto una in particolare, ha fatto tanta pressione, perché...

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Uma Noite com 20 Anos de Duração (2)

Sonia aveva una vita molto simile a quella di Marta. ||||||a||| Sonia had a life very similar to Marta's.

Anche lei infatti a 9 anni viveva sola con la madre Daniela, in una casa di Finale Emilia. |||||lived||||mother||in||house||| Im Alter von neun Jahren lebte auch sie allein mit ihrer Mutter Daniela in einem Haus in Finale Emilia. In fact, she too was living alone with her mother Daniela at age 9 in a house in Finale Emilia.

Si erano trasferite lì da poco, dopo la separazione dei genitori. They had recently moved there after their parents separated. Daniela aveva denunciato il marito Massimo perché la picchiava, e dopo la separazione Sonia era rimasta con lei. |had|reported||husband|Massimo|||was hitting||||separation|||stayed|| Daniela had denounced her husband Massimo for beating her, and after the separation Sonia had stayed with her.

\_\_Live Sonia: Ero una bambina serena, ero molto timida, chiusa, però ero tranquilla. ||||||||shy|closed||| Live Sonia: I was a peaceful child, I was very shy, closed, however, I was quiet. Avevo le mie amicizie, ero brava a scuola… una bambina normale. had|||||||||| I had my friendships, I was good in school-a normal child.

Live Pablo: E con la mamma che rapporto avevi? |||||||relationship|did you have Live Pablo: And what was your relationship with Mom?

Live Sonia: Io la adoravo e basta...__ Live Sonia: I just adored her...

Un giorno, però, una cuginetta di Sonia era stata allontanata per sospetti abusi e coinvolta nelle indagini contro il misterioso gruppo di pedofili a cui la Procura stava dando la caccia. ||||Prima|||||||||||||||||||||||||| Eines Tages wurde jedoch ein kleiner Cousin von Sonia wegen des Verdachts des Missbrauchs aus dem Verkehr gezogen und in die Ermittlungen gegen die mysteriöse Pädophilengruppe, die die Staatsanwaltschaft aufspürte, einbezogen. One day, however, a little cousin of Sonia's had been removed on suspicion of abuse and involved in the investigation against the mysterious group of pedophiles the prosecutor's office was hunting down.

La piccola era stata presa in carico dal servizio di neuropsichiatria, e dopo qualche mese, aveva raccontato che praticamente tutta la sua famiglia faceva parte della setta satanica, e che di notte lei e i suoi cuginetti venivano portati nei cimiteri. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||satánica|||||||||primos pequeños|||| Das kleine Mädchen war vom neuropsychiatrischen Dienst aufgenommen worden, und nach einigen Monaten erzählte sie, dass praktisch ihre gesamte Familie der satanischen Sekte angehörte und dass sie und ihre kleinen Cousinen nachts auf Friedhöfe gebracht wurden. The little girl had been taken in by the neuropsychiatric service, and after a few months, she had told that practically her entire family was part of the satanic cult, and that at night she and her little cousins were taken to cemeteries.

Tra loro c'era anche Sonia. Sonia war unter ihnen. Among them was Sonia.

Anche in questo caso i racconti della piccola erano stati creduti. ||||||||||creídos Wiederum wurde den Geschichten des kleinen Mädchens geglaubt. Again, the little girl's stories were believed.

Parola per parola. Word for word.

__Live Daniela: Si son presentati alle sei del mattino, i carabinieri. Live Daniela: Sie sind um sechs Uhr morgens gekommen, die Carabinieri. Live Daniela: They showed up at six in the morning, the carabinieri. “Signora dobbiamo portarle via sua figlia”. "Ma'am, wir müssen Ihnen Ihre Tochter wegnehmen". "Ma'am we have to take your daughter away from you." “Come portarla via?”. "Wie bringt man sie weg?" "How to take it away?"

Live Sonia: Ero a letto, niente, suona il citofono, io sento delle voci, mia madre che inizia a parlare, a piangere… niente… ho iniziato a piangere anche io... ||||||||portero automático||||||||||||||||||| Live Sonia: Ich lag im Bett, nichts, die Gegensprechanlage klingelt, ich höre Stimmen, meine Mutter fängt an zu reden, zu weinen... nichts... Ich fing auch an zu weinen... Live Sonia: I was in bed, nothing, the intercom rings, I hear voices, my mother starting to talk, crying... nothing... I started to cry too....

Live Pablo: Perché hai iniziato a piangere? Live Pablo: Why did you start crying?

Live Sonia: Perché avevo capito che c'era qualcosa che non andava, perché mia cugina era stata già allontanata da diversi mesi e… avevo paura già che mi portassero via… e infatti è successo... Live Sonia: Because I understood that something was wrong, because my cousin had already been removed for several months and ... I was already afraid that they would take me away ... and in fact it happened ...

Live Daniela: C'era anche una… una donna insieme a loro, mi ha detto “Signora la tranquillizzi perché è molto agitata... |||||||||||||||la tranquilice|||| Live Daniela: There was also a -- a woman together with them, she said, "Madam, calm her down because she is very agitated....

Live Daniela: “Le prepari uno zainetto con dentro alcune cose”… “Come alcune cose? |||||mochila pequeña||||||| Live Daniela: "You prepare her a backpack with some things in it" -- "Like some things? Dove dovete portarla?” Where should you take her?"

Live Sonia: Mia mamma mi ha fatto cambiare, con la poliziotta in camera che mi guardava… mi ha preparato un cambio, messo nello zaino di scuola… ||||||||||policía mujer||||||||||||||| Live Sonia: My mom made me change, with the policewoman in the room watching me ... she made me a change, put it in my school bag ...

Live Daniela: “Vestiti che vai con questi signori che hanno bisogno”... Live Daniela: "Get dressed you go with these gentlemen in need..."

Live Sonia: Mi sono sentita abbandonata per il modo in cui mi ha salutata, perché mi ha detto “Torno a prenderti stasera” e io la aspettavo...__ Live Sonia: I felt abandoned because of the way she greeted me, because she said, "I'll come back for you tonight," and I was waiting for her....

Sonia era salita in macchina. Sonia had gotten into the car.

Accanto a lei c'era un'assistente sociale, Odette Magri. ||||una asistente social||Odette Magri| Next to her was a social worker, Odette Magri. La donna le aveva spiegato che sarebbe stata portata in una casa-famiglia vicino a Forlì. The woman had explained to her that she would be taken to a group home near Forli.

__Live Sonia: … Perché “avevamo bisogno di essere protetti”. Live Sonia: ... Because "we needed to be protected." Io non ho detto niente. I didn't say anything. Io l'unica domanda che ho fatto è stata se in casa-famiglia c'erano le finestre, perché avevo paura di essere chiusa in una prigione al buio…__ I the only question I asked was whether there were windows in the home-family house, because I was afraid of being locked in a prison in the dark....

Sulla scrivania di Sonia era rimasto un diario con la copertina nera. A diary with a black cover was left on Sonia's desk.

Il segnalibro è fermo sulla pagina di quel giorno, sulla quale la bambina aveva scritto per l'ultima volta i compiti da fare: “Studia la Grecia”. The bookmark is stationary on that day's page, on which the little girl had last written her homework: "Study Greece."

Dopo l'allontanamento di Marta, la madre Francesca non aveva retto. After Marta's departure, her mother Francesca had not been able to cope. Era dimagrita e sciupata. She was thin and wasted. Aveva perso il lavoro. He had lost his job. E di Marta non sapeva più nulla. And he knew nothing more about Marta.

Poi, a settembre, quando il Tribunale dei Minori l'aveva convocata, sul suo fascicolo la donna aveva notato un post-it giallo che qualche addetto aveva distrattamente lasciato attaccato al faldone, con il nuovo indirizzo dove risiedeva la figlia: il Cenacolo Francescano. ||||||||||||expediente|||||||||||||||||carpeta de archivos||||||||||| Then, in September, when the Juvenile Court had summoned her, on her file the woman had noticed a yellow post-it note that some clerk had absent-mindedly left attached to the folder, with the new address where her daughter resided: the Franciscan Upper Room.

La donna ci era andata subito. The woman had gone there immediately.

Appena arrivata, aveva fatto il giro della struttura, e attraverso una cancellata coperta da una rete verde aveva intravisto sua figlia, che giocava da sola a pochi metri di distanza. As soon as she arrived, she had gone around the facility, and through a gate covered by green netting she had caught a glimpse of her daughter, who was playing alone a few meters away.

__Live Marta: Ricordo di aver sentito una voce che mi chiamava, quindi io l'ho subito riconosciuta anche se in realtà non riuscivo proprio a vederla bene perché c'erano di mezzo non so se alberi, siepi... eh ... io non mi ricordo bene la mia reazione… cioè non so se ero felice, triste, probabilmente un pò di felicità, un po' di agitazione… però penso di essere andata subito dalla suora a dire “Guarda che lì c'è la mia mamma!”__ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||setos, arbustos|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Live Marta: I remember hearing a voice calling me, so I immediately recognized it even though in reality I couldn't really see it well because there were in the middle I don't know if trees, hedges ... eh ... I don't really remember my reaction ... I mean I don't know if I was happy, sad, probably a little bit of happiness, a little bit of agitation ... however I think I immediately went to the nun and said "Look there's my mom!"

La responsabile del Cenacolo, Suor Annarita Ferrari, si era infuriata per quella visita inaspettata di Francesca e l'aveva mandata via in malo modo, denunciandola alla Polizia, che il giorno dopo l'aveva arrestata per inquinamento di prove. |||||Sor Annarita||||enfurecido||||||||||||||denunciándola a||||||||||contaminación de pruebas|| The Cenacolo leader, Sister Annarita Ferrari, had been infuriated by that unexpected visit from Francesca and had sent her away in a bad way, reporting her to the Police, who arrested her the next day for evidence tampering.

Dopo alcuni giorni di carcere, Francesca si era ritrovata sola in casa, ai domiciliari. After a few days in jail, Francesca had found herself alone at home under house arrest.

__Live Marta: Mi ricordo che lei aveva lasciato alla suora una bambolina con uno zainetto e… c'era dentro un bigliettino che, non ricordo cosa c'era scritto, però tipo “Ti voglio bene, torno presto”, una cosa del genere. |||||||||||doll||||||||||||||||||||||||| Live Marta: I remember that she had left the nun a little doll with a backpack and... there was a little card inside that, I don't remember what was written, however like "I love you, I'll be back soon," something like that. Però io lei non l'ho… non l'ho vista.__ But I didn't-I didn't see her, though.

Dopo essere finita nella casa-famiglia di Forlì, anche Sonia era stata portata al Cenacolo Francescano. After ending up in the foster home in Forli, Sonia had also been taken to the Franciscan Cenacle.

__Live Sonia: E lì ho conosciuto Valeria Donati, la mia psicologa.__ Live Sonia: And there I met Valeria Donati, my psychologist.

Valeria Donati, vi ricorderete, era una giovane professionista a contratto presso i Servizi Sociali di Mirandola, ed era stata la prima a sospettare degli abusi subiti da Dario e poi dagli altri bambini. ||||||||||en|||||||||||||||||||||| Valeria Donati, you may recall, was a young professional on contract at Mirandola Social Services, and she was the first to suspect the abuse suffered by Dario and then the other children.

Il suo ruolo, all'interno della ‘vicenda pedofili', era stato determinante. His role within the 'pedophile affair' had been instrumental. Durante i processi gli avvocati della difesa l'avevano accusata di aver fortemente suggestionato i piccoli nel corso dei colloqui, inducendoli ad accusare i genitori. ||||||||||||sugestionado|||||||induciéndolos a|||| During the trials, defense attorneys had accused her of having strongly suggestible the little ones during the interviews, leading them to accuse the parents.

Di quegli incontri con la psicologa, a quanto pare, non esiste nessuna registrazione. Of those meetings with the psychologist, no record apparently exists. Sonia però ne ha un ricordo indelebile. |||||memory| Sonia, however, has an indelible memory of it.

__Live Sonia: Mi ha detto che mia madre non era brava perché non mi proteggeva, e praticamente era d'accordo con mio padre che mi faceva quelle cose, che abusava di me, che mi portava nei cimiteri, mia madre lo copriva. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||abusaba de mí|||||||cementerios|||| Live Sonia: She told me that my mother was not good because she didn't protect me, and she basically agreed with my father who did those things to me, abused me, took me to cemeteries, my mother covered for him.

Live Pablo: Tuo papà ha mai abusato di te? Live Pablo: Did your dad ever abuse you?

Live Sonia: Mai, assolutamente.__ Live Sonia: Never, absolutely.

Sonia aveva più volte chiesto alla Donati e alle sue colleghe di rivedere la mamma... Sonia had repeatedly asked Donati and her colleagues to see Mom again...

__Live Sonia: Mi rispondevano che non potevo… anzi, io mi dovevo dimenticare di lei, perché finchè non… non raccontavo quello che raccontavano anche gli altri bambini, non l'avrei mai più rivista. ||||||||||||||||||tell|||||||||||| Live Sonia: They used to tell me that I couldn't--in fact, I had to forget about her, because as long as I didn't--I didn't tell what the other children told as well, I would never see her again.

La stessa cosa che a quanto pare veniva ripetuta anche a Marta... The same thing was apparently being repeated to Marta as well....

Live Marta: Io chiedevo anche di poterla rivedere e mi hanno sempre detto che non era possibile. ||||||be able to|||||||||| Live Marta: I also used to ask to see her again and was always told that it was not possible. Valeria Donati in primis mi ha sempre detto che non era possibile rivederla… Perché lei comunque mi diceva che comunque mi aveva fatto delle brutte cose e... che bisognava prima risolvere questa cosa poi, forse, dopo... Però questo dopo non è mai arrivato…__ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||it was necessary|||||||after||||||| Valeria Donati in the first place always told me that it was not possible to see her again... Because she was telling me anyway that anyway she had done bad things to me and... that you have to solve this first then, maybe, afterwards... But this afterwards never came.

Entrambe le bimbe erano poi state convocate da Valeria Donati e dalla responsabile del servizio minori, Monica Benati... ||girls||||summoned||||||head|||||Benati |||||||||||||||||Monica Benati Both children had then been summoned by Valeria Donati and the head of child services, Monica Benati...

__Live Sonia: … e mi hanno spiegato nei dettagli che una dottoressa avrebbe dovuto guardare la mia patatina, il mio sedere, per vedere se c'erano dei segni di violenza.__ ||||||||||||||||vagina|||but|||||||my|violence ||||||||||||||||patatita||||||||||| Live Sonia: ... and they explained to me in detail that a doctor would have to look at my pussy, my butt, to see if there were any signs of violence.

La dottoressa è Cristina Maggioni della Mangiagalli di Milano. ||||Maggioni||de la Mangiagalli|| The doctor is Cristina Maggioni of Mangiagalli in Milan.

Era la dottoressa che aveva sostenuto che l'imene di una bambina vittima di violenze potesse ricrescere con l'arrivo delle prime mestruazioni. |||||||the hymen|||||||||||||menstruation |||||||||||||||volver a crecer||||| She was the doctor who had claimed that the hymen of a child victim of violence could regrow with the arrival of her first menstruation.

__Live Pablo: Pensa di aver fatto bene il suo lavoro? Live Pablo: Do you think you did your job well? Live Maggioni: Vuole radiarmi dall'ordine? |||remove| |||expulsarme| Live Maggioni: Do you want to disbar me? Live Pablo: No, non mi interessa... Live Maggioni: Vuole impedirmi di fare il medico per il resto dei miei giorni?__ |||||||||prevent|||||||||| Live Pablo: No, I don't care... Live Maggioni: Do you want to stop me from being a doctor for the rest of my days?

Sonia racconta che la Donati e la Benati l'avevano messa in guardia prima di entrare nello studio della Maggioni. |||||||Benati|||||||||office|| Sonia recounts that Donati and Benati had warned her before entering Maggioni's studio.

__Live Sonia: Mi hanno detto che se non tirava fuori la macchina fotografica non c'era problema, invece se avessero fatto delle fotografie, lì mi dovevo preoccupare. ||||||||brought||||||||||||||||| ||||||||sacaba||||||||||||||||| Live Sonia: They told me that if they didn't take out the camera, it was no problem, but if they took pictures, there I had to worry. Perché voleva dire che i segni di violenza c'erano...__ Because it meant that the signs of violence were there....

Mi ricordo che mentre mi visitava mi spiegava quello che stava per fare... e… poi hanno tirato fuori la macchina fotografica... |||||visited|||||was|||||||||| I remember as he was visiting me he was explaining what he was going to do...and...then they brought out the camera....

__Live Pablo: E tu lì hai... che cosa hai provato? Live Pablo: And did you there-what did you feel?

Live Sonia: (pausa) Rabbia… perché non… non poteva essere vero.__ |||anger|||||| Live Sonia: (pause) Anger... because it couldn't... it couldn't be true.

La reazione di Sonia viene descritta anche nei verbali dell'assistente sociale che l'aveva accompagnata, Odette Magri: Sonia's reaction is also described in the minutes of the social worker who had accompanied her, Odette Magri:

“La bambina era molto tesa, visibilmente in difficoltà… l'unica cosa che ha detto alla fine è stata: “Io da quei dottori non ci voglio più andare”. |||||||||||||||||||||||want|| "The child was very tense, visibly distressed ... the only thing she said at the end was, 'I don't want to go to those doctors anymore.'

Marta, all'età di 8 anni, era stata nello stesso studio. ||||||in the|the same| Marta, at age 8, had been in the same study.

Ma alla visita aveva reagito diversamente. ||||reacted|differently But he had reacted differently to the visit.

__Live Marta: Dunque... io mi ricordo che mi aveva… mi aveva accompagnato una delle suore. ||||||||||||||sisters Live Marta: So... I remember that she had... one of the nuns had accompanied me. e… mi ricordo di una dottoressa, di una visita abbastanza veloce...__ And ... I remember a doctor, a fairly quick visit ...

Veloce perché la bambina non aveva manifestato particolari resistenze a farsi visitare. ||||||manifested||||be| Fast because the child had shown no particular resistance to being examined. Anzi, la sua disponibilità aveva subito colpito la dottoressa Maggioni, che nel verbale di una delle udienze aveva commentato: ||||||||||||||||hearings|| Indeed, his helpfulness had immediately impressed Dr. Maggioni, who in the minutes of one of the hearings had commented:

Marta è stata visitata abbastanza bene, anzi talmente bene, che sul mio foglietto c'è scritto “bravissima”, le hanno fatto gli applausi… questa esagerazione di disponibilità non è normale, la trovo in qualcuna, ma solo quando sono state molto abusate. ||||quite||||||||note||||||||||exaggeration|||||||||some||||||| Marta was examined quite well, in fact so well, that on my sheet it said "very good," they gave her applause...this exaggeration of helpfulness is not normal, I find it in some, but only when they have been very abused.

Era come se la ginecologa avesse dedotto che la bambina era stata violentata semplicemente osservando il suo comportamento prima dell'esame. ||||||deduced||||||||||||| It was as if the gynecologist inferred that the child had been raped simply by observing her behavior before the examination.

Dopo la visita la Maggioni e il suo collega, il dr. Bruni, si erano avvicinati alla piccola Marta, e le avevano detto che c'erano dei segni che indicavano che le era stato fatto del male. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||indicated||||||| After the visit, Maggioni and her colleague, Dr. Bruni, had approached little Marta and told her that there were signs that she had been harmed.

__Live Alessia: E tu? Live Alessia: How about you?

Live Marta: E io ci credevo, che potevo fare? |||||believed||| Live Marta: And I believed it, what could I do? L'ha visto la dottoressa, come fa a dire delle bugie una dottoressa?__ The doctor saw it, how can a doctor tell lies?

Solo successivamente, a processo, alcuni medici legali si diranno in disaccordo con le conclusioni della Maggioni su Marta e Sonia. ||||||||||disagreement||||||||| Only later, at trial, will some forensic doctors disagree with Maggioni's conclusions about Marta and Sonia.

Per loro gli abusi che la ginecologa aveva riscontrato non erano affatto evidenti. ||||||||identified|||at all| For them, the abuse that the gynecologist had found was not at all obvious. Ma in quel momento c'erano solo le valutazioni della Maggioni. But at that time there were only Maggioni's evaluations.

E l'esito della visita di Marta, noto solo a pochissime persone, era stato subito spifferato alla stampa. |the outcome|||||||||||||leaked|| And the outcome of Marta's visit, known only to very few people, had been immediately leaked to the press.

Il giorno dopo, la mamma Francesca - sola in casa - aveva acceso Televideo per controllare le notizie, e si era ritrovata a leggere con il cuore in gola che sua figlia aveva subito violenze sessuali gravissime, che probabilmente ne avrebbero pregiudicato la possibilità di avere figli da adulta. |||||||||||Teletext|||||||||||||||||||||||||||would|||||||| The next day, mother Francesca - alone in the house - had turned on Teletext to check the news, and found herself reading with her heart in her throat that her daughter had been subjected to very serious sexual violence, which would probably affect her ability to have children as an adult.

La donna a questo punto era impazzita. ||||||crazy The woman had gone crazy at this point. Non poteva uscire di casa, non poteva chiamare nessuno. He could not leave the house, could not call anyone.

Qualche giorno dopo, domenica 28 settembre, aveva fatto una telefonata alle uniche persone che in quel momento potevano davvero capirla: i vicini di casa Federico Scotta e la moglie Kaempet. ||||||||||||||||could||understand|||||||||| A few days later, on Sunday, September 28, she had made a phone call to the only people who could really understand her at that moment: neighbors Federico Scotta and his wife Kaempet.

__Live Scotta: Suona il telefono di casa… e dall'altra parte la Francesca. Live Scotta: The house phone rings -- and on the other end is Francesca. Aveva una voce stranissima: “Vi ho voluto tanto bene, mi dispiace che le cose finiscano così. ||||||||||||||end| He had the strangest voice: "I loved you so much, I'm sorry that things end like this. Addio”. Goodbye." E ha chiuso il telefono.__ And he closed the phone.

Allarmato, Scotta aveva chiamato subito la polizia. Alarmed, Scotta had immediately called the police.

Poco dopo, una volante si era fermata all'angolo fra la Statale 12 e via Pascoli. Shortly thereafter, a squad car had stopped at the corner of State Route 12 and Pascoli Street. Un agente aveva alzato lo sguardo e aveva visto Francesca a cavalcioni sulla ringhiera del balcone al quinto piano. |||||||||||straddling||railing||||| An officer had looked up and saw Francesca straddling the railing of the fifth-floor balcony.

__Live poliziotto: Siamo arrivati là… c'era la porta che era… non era chiusa a chiave, e c'era la catenella attaccata, e dalla porta si vedeva che c'era lei a cavallo della balconata. ||||||||||||||||||chain|||||||||||||balcony Live policeman: We got there... there was the door that was... it was unlocked, and there was the chain attached, and you could see from the door that there was her straddling the balcony. Non abbiamo fatto in tempo neanche a entrare che lei si era già lanciata.__ We didn't even make it inside in time that she had already jumped in.

Un volo di quasi quindici metri. A flight of almost fifty feet.

Era morta ore dopo all'ospedale, da sola. She had died hours later at the hospital, alone.

Nell'appartamento al quinto piano era stato trovato un bigliettino sul tavolo della cucina. In the fifth-floor apartment, a note had been found on the kitchen table. Francesca aveva scritto: “Non ce la faccio più, sono innocente”. |had|||||||| Francesca had written, "I can't take it anymore, I'm innocent."

__Live Marta: Io mi ricordo solo che mi hanno detto “La tua mamma se n'è andata” e io ho detto “Eh, dove è andata?” “No, non è che è andata via, è che è morta”... e poi di altro, di altro non ricordo.__ Live Marta: I only remember that they said, "Your mom is gone," and I said, "Eh, where did she go?" "No, it's not that she's gone, it's that she's dead," and then about anything else, anything else I don't remember.

Però ricordo di aver pianto. I do remember crying, though.

Nei verbali dell'assistente sociale Odette Magri, quel momento viene ricostruito secondo per secondo. |||||||||reconstructed||| In the minutes of social worker Odette Magri, that moment is reconstructed second by second.

Le dipendenti dei Servizi non si erano limitate a dirle che sua mamma non c'era più. Service employees had not merely told her that her mom was gone. Avevano anche insinuato che si fosse suicidata perché era stata scoperta e non aveva più via di scampo. ||insinuated||||committed suicide|||||||||||escape They had also implied that she had committed suicide because she had been discovered and had no way out.

Un dubbio che nessuno aveva diritto di metterle in testa, perché in quel momento contro sua madre non esisteva nessuna prova. A doubt that no one had the right to put in her head, because at that moment against her mother there was no evidence.

__Live Marta: Questo è stato anche un mio dubbio che io mi sono portata dietro da sempre. Live Marta: This has also been a doubt of mine that I have carried with me for as long as I can remember. Cioè: se mi madre sapeva di essere innocente, di non aver fatto nulla, perché si è buttata giù dal quinto piano? ||||||||||||||||thrown|||| That is: if my mother knew that she was innocent, that she did nothing, why did she jump off the fifth floor?

Però, anche lì, vai a pensare cosa c'è nella testa di una persona, che magari aveva pure i suoi problemi, magari non era… non era completamente lucida.__ ||||||||||||||||||||||||||lucid However, even there, you go and think about what's in a person's head, that maybe they had their own problems as well, maybe they weren't -- they weren't completely lucid.

I servizi sociali e la procura si erano ritrovati davanti a una situazione complicata. Social services and the prosecutor's office were faced with a complicated situation.

C'era il cadavere di una madre. There was the dead body of a mother. E una bambina orfana che non l'aveva mai accusata. And an orphaned child who had never charged her.

\_\_Live Marta: Sicuramente le psicologhe, anzi soprattutto una in particolare, ha fatto tanta pressione, perché... Live Marta: Definitely the psychologists, indeed especially one in particular, put a lot of pressure, because...

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