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Steve's Language Learning Tips, Don't Speak in Your Target Language

Don't Speak in Your Target Language

Of course, we want to speak the language eventually and we want to speak well, however, there's no need to be anxious about how we're doing now. Hi there, Steve Kaufmann here. Today I want to talk about something that I've been thinking about recently, and that is the importance of not speaking the language we're learning.

Don't speak the language we're learning. A little bit provocative and I'll explain what I mean. Meanwhile, if you enjoy these videos, please subscribe. Uh, click on that bell for notifications. If you are listening to this on a podcast service, please leave a review. Um, I hope my sound is better. There have been some complaints now,.What do I mean by don't speak?

All right. I'll tell you my, my sort of reasoning on this. Um, recently I decided that in my Arabic, I was going to move over to Egyptian Arabic because I wanted to try to understand Egyptian movies better. Egypt is a country of 90 or more million people and they have a language with its own culture, humor, expressions, uh, which I can connect to in some way.

Uh, that's not true of standard Arabic. There is no country where the local language is standard Arabic. And so it's a little bit of an artificial language. It's like Latin or something. Not quite, it is spoken by many Arabs. It's spoken in official situations by politicians. Uh, the written material on the internet is mostly in standard Arabic, but in terms of getting that sort of resonance that you get from a real life country, it doesn't have that.

So I started doing, um, you know, Egyptian Arabic and I found that a couple of things that were very interesting. One, my Arabic is now ruined, my standard Arabic, my Egyptian Arabic. I have trouble saying anything. I struggle to say it. On the other hand, my spoken, uh, Persian, Farsi has improved without me putting anything into it.

All of a sudden I have my online discussions with Sahra and, and she agrees I'm doing better than ever. So it's like I left my Persian alone. I still have, you know, twice a week sessions with Sahra, uh, but leaving Persian alone and even leaving Standard Arabic and stimulating my brain with this exposure to Egyptian Arabic, with all of its idiosyncrasies seems to have improved.

My Persian sounds a bit strange. I have experienced this before that if you work very hard at language A then leave language A and go to language B, come back to language A and you understand it better and you can speak better. Why that is? I don't know. I have called that sort of the period of benign neglect. It may be a function of leaving it.

It may be a function of trying very hard to learn something else which is stimulating for the brain. Then coming back to something familiar and all of a sudden you're better able to recall words in that language. I don't know why. However, I had a session this morning in Egyptian Arabic. I mean, I couldn't say anything, not in Egyptian Arabic not in Standard Arabic, but I enjoy it.

I enjoyed it. And I enjoy listening to the material that I have in Egyptian Arabic. I enjoy discovering Egyptian Arabic. I'm looking forward to being better at Egyptian Arabic, but I'm not concerned about my inability to speak right now. Um, I enjoy these sessions with Adel Samy my new tutor in Alexandria, because he's funny.

And he keeps me going and we have almost philosophical discussions where he has to give me the words and he writes the words out on the screen before I'm actually able to say them. But that's fine. I certainly couldn't carry on a conversation, but it's extremely enjoyable. And so the sort of passive, you know, discovering the language I find enjoyable.

If I were genuinely concerned about how weak I am in speaking the language, I would feel, you know, distraught. And that's why I kind of reminded myself that, you know, very often people identify learning a language with being able to speak the language. And what can I say now? And of course we want to speak the language eventually and we want to speak well, however, there's no need to be anxious about how we're doing now or at the beginning, or even a fair way along in the language, as long as we are enjoying the language.

And so, uh, I think very often in the sort of standard classroom, there's a tremendous emphasis placed on producing the language, speaking the language, which is fine because that's what people want to do. But what I think is more important is what will I be able to do with them, the language in a year from now?

And from that perspective, I'm not tremendously motivated to speak. Now I have this a couple of sessions a week just to maintain that human contact with, with someone who speaks the language, but it doesn't bother me that I can't speak well. No, I fully appreciate that there are situations where we need to learn to speak the language because we have immigrated to our country.

And, and when you're in that situation, of course, you're getting a lot of input, a lot of input you're listening and reading all the time. And you're trying to speak wherever you can. And so you have this urgency to speak, which is fine, but even there, you shouldn't be concerned about short-term difficulties in using the language because it's been my experience.

I mean, I can remember when I was learning Czech, for example, I was six months at, at listening to stuff on Czech history, fascinating stuff about the the Austro-Hungarian empire or Prague, and, uh, you know, under, um, Charles you know, king Charles back in the 14th century. And I, I went to this body shop where the person there spoke Czech.

And I couldn't say a thing. I couldn't say a thing, but now, and when I went to, first of all, now I can understand so much Czech. I can understand, you know, what people say and little clips that I find on Twitter. Uh, and when I was in the Czech Republic, I was communicating just fine. So the point is, again, I guess it's a common theme that I have is don't put too much pressure on yourself.

Uh, obviously, if you're in a situation where you, you need to speak better quickly, even there fastest path to that is lots of input activities. And speaking wherever you have the chance, but if you are on a, as I am in the case of Arabic, I have no immediate urgency to speak the language I achieve what I achieve. Twice a week.

I speak sometimes better, sometimes worse. I focus on input. I'm enjoying it. Good enough. And there could be some surprises. Maybe if I move on to Turkish and then I come back to Arabic, all of a sudden my Arabic speaking ability will improve as was the case with my Persian speaking ability after this period of benign neglect.

So don't be too fast. I shouldn't say don't speak, but it needn't be, you know, the objective number one in the early stages of learning the language, it's more a matter of what you feel like doing and what your needs. So thank you for listening. Bye for now.

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Don't Speak in Your Target Language ||||目标语言| Не говоріть|Говорити|у|вашою|Цільова мова|Мова Sprechen Sie nicht in Ihrer Zielsprache No hable en la lengua de destino Ne pas s'exprimer dans la langue cible Non parlare nella lingua di destinazione ターゲット言語で話さない 타겟 언어로 말하지 않기 Nie mów w języku docelowym Não fale na sua língua-alvo Не говорите на целевом языке Hedef Dilinizde Konuşmayın Не розмовляйте цільовою мовою 不要用你的目标语言说话 不要用你的目標語言說話

Of course, we want to speak the language eventually and we want to speak well, however, there's no need to be anxious about how we're doing now. |||||||||||||||cependant||||||anxieux||||| звісно|Звісно|ми|хочемо|до||мову||зрештою||||||добре|однак|немає|немає потреби|потреби||бути|тривожитися|про те, як|як|ми|справляємося|зараз Of course, we want to speak the language eventually and we want to speak well, however, there's no need to be anxious about how we're doing now. もちろん、最終的にはその言語を話したいし、上手に話したいのですが、今のやり方を心配する必要はありません。 Hi there, Steve Kaufmann here. |Salut à tous||| Привіт, Стів Кауфманн тут.|Привіт|Стіве|Кауфманн|тут Today I want to talk about something that I've been thinking about recently, and that is the importance of not speaking the language we're learning. Сьогодні||||поговорити||щось|що|я вже|думав|обмірковувати||нещодавно|||є||важливість||не|говорити||||вивчаємо 今日は私が最近考えていることについて話したいと思います。それは私たちが学んでいる言語を話さないことの重要性です。

Don't speak the language we're learning. A little bit provocative and I'll explain what I mean. |||||||||challenging or stimulating|||||| |||||||||provokant|||||| |||||||||provocatorio|||||| |||||||||挑衅的|||||| |||||||трохи|трохи|провокативно||я|поясню, що маю на увазі|що я маю на увазі||маю на увазі |||||||||挑発的な|||||| Meanwhile, if you enjoy these videos, please subscribe. |||||||订阅 Тим часом|якщо|ви|насолоджуєтесь|ці відео|відео|будь ласка|підпишіться, будь ласка Uh, click on that bell for notifications. Е-е|натисни|на||дзвіночок|для|сповіщення If you are listening to this on a podcast service, please leave a review. ||||||||播客服务|服务平台|||| ||єте|слухаєте||це|||Якщо ви слухаєте це через подкаст-сервіс, будь ласка, залиште відгук.|||залиште відгук||залиште відгук Um, I hope my sound is better. Ем...||сподіваюся|мій|звук||кращий There have been some complaints now,.What do I mean by don't speak? ||||Grievances|||||||| ||||queixas|||||||| ||||Beschwerden|||||||| ||||lamentele|||||||| ||||投诉|||||||| |були||деякі|скарги|||означаю|||під словом||

All right. Все гаразд.|Все гаразд. I'll tell you my, my sort of reasoning on this. |||||||Überlegung|| |||||||thought process|| |розкажу||||свого роду|свого роду|міркування|| Um, recently I decided that in my Arabic, I was going to move over to Egyptian Arabic because I wanted to try to understand Egyptian movies better. |||||||阿拉伯语||||||||||||||||||| |||вирішив(-ла)||у||арабською мовою||був/була|збираюся||перейти на|перейти на||єгипетський||тому що||||спробувати||зрозуміти||фільми| Egypt is a country of 90 or more million people and they have a language with its own culture, humor, expressions, uh, which I can connect to in some way. ||||||||||||||||||幽默感|表达方式||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||表現||||||||| Єгипет|||країна||або більше|більше|мільйонів|||вони||||зі своєю|своєю|власна|культура, традиції|гумор|вирази||який|||||||певним чином

Uh, that's not true of standard Arabic. |це||правда||стандартний| There is no country where the local language is standard Arabic. ||||在……地方|||||| ||||де|||||| And so it's a little bit of an artificial language. ||||有点儿||||人为的| ||||||||人工的| |Отже|це|||||штучної|штучна| It's like Latin or something. |наче|латина|| Not quite, it is spoken by many Arabs. |||||||Araber いいえ|あまり|||||| |Не зовсім|це||розмовляють||багатьма|арабами It's spoken in official situations by politicians. |||офіційний|ситуаціях||політиками Uh, the written material on the internet is mostly in standard Arabic, but in terms of getting that sort of resonance that you get from a real life country, it doesn't have that. ||||||||||||||||||||共鸣感|||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||emotional connection|||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||共鳴感|||||||||||| |||матеріал|||інтернеті||переважно||||але||умовах||отримання||||відгук|||отримати|з реального життя||справжній|реальне життя|||не має|| ||||||||||||||||||||risonanza|||||||||||| Euh, les documents écrits sur l'internet sont pour la plupart en arabe standard, mais ils n'ont pas la même résonance que ceux d'un pays réel.

So I started doing, um, you know, Egyptian Arabic and I found that a couple of things that were very interesting. ||почав||||знаєте|||||виявив|||кілька||речі||були|дуже|цікавими One, my Arabic is now ruined, my standard Arabic, my Egyptian Arabic. |||||毁了|||||| |||||台無しになった|||||| Ось|||||зіпсована|||||| I have trouble saying anything. ||Мені важко|висловлюватися|будь-що I struggle to say it. |find it hard||| |Мені важко сказати.||сказати| J'ai du mal à le dire. On the other hand, my spoken, uh, Persian, Farsi has improved without me putting anything into it. |||||||波斯语||||||||| ||з іншого боку|з іншого боку||||перською, фарсі|фарсі|покращилася|покращився|без того, щоб|мені|докладаючи зусиль||в це|

All of a sudden I have my online discussions with Sahra and, and she agrees I'm doing better than ever. ||||||||Gespräche||||||||||| ||||||||||||||è d'accordo||||| |||раптово||||онлайн|обговорення онлайн||Сахрою|||вона|погоджується|я|||ніж|краще, ніж будь-коли Tout d'un coup, j'ai mes discussions en ligne avec Sahra et, et elle convient que je vais mieux que jamais. So it's like I left my Persian alone. ||||залишив|||наодинці C'est comme si j'avais laissé mon persan tranquille. I still have, you know, twice a week sessions with Sahra, uh, but leaving Persian alone and even leaving Standard Arabic and stimulating my brain with this exposure to Egyptian Arabic, with all of its idiosyncrasies seems to have improved. ||||||||||||||||||||||刺激||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||contact with language||||||||unique characteristics|||| ||||||||||||||||||||||刺激する|||||||||||||癖|||| |досі||||двічі на тиждень||тиждень|сеанси|||||залишивши||||навіть|||||стимулюючи||мозок|||впливом||||||||особливості|здається||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||idiosincrasie|||| 我仍然有,你知道,每周两次与 Sahra 的会议,呃,但是别管波斯语,甚至离开标准阿拉伯语,并通过接触埃及阿拉伯语来刺激我的大脑,它的所有特质似乎都得到了改善。

My Persian sounds a bit strange. ||звучить|||дивно I have experienced this before that if you work very hard at language A then leave language A and go to language B, come back to language A and you understand it better and you can speak better. ||досвідчував||раніше||||працюєш дуже старанно||напружено||||тоді||||||||мову B|повертаєшся|повернутися до||||||||||||| Why that is? Чому це так?|| I don't know. I have called that sort of the period of benign neglect. ||||||||||忽视 |||||||||wohlwollend| |||||||||良性の| ||назвав|||||періодом доброзичливого нехтування||доброзичливого нехтування|доброзичливе нехтування |||||||||benigna|negligenza bene He llamado a eso algo así como el periodo de la negligencia benigna. Ik heb dat de periode van goedaardige verwaarlozing genoemd. It may be a function of leaving it. |може|||функція|||

It may be a function of trying very hard to learn something else which is stimulating for the brain. ||||||намагання||||вивчити||інше|||||| Then coming back to something familiar and all of a sudden you're better able to recall words in that language. |||||||||||||||abrufen|||| |повернення||||знайоме||||||ти стаєш||здатніший||пригадати|слова, мова||| Luego vuelves a algo familiar y, de repente, eres más capaz de recordar palabras en ese idioma. I don't know why. However, I had a session this morning in Egyptian Arabic. ||мав||сесія||||| I mean, I couldn't say anything, not in Egyptian Arabic not in Standard Arabic, but I enjoy it. |||не міг||||||||||||||

I enjoyed it. |Мені сподобалося.| And I enjoy listening to the material that I have in Egyptian Arabic. I enjoy discovering Egyptian Arabic. ||відкривати для себе|| I'm looking forward to being better at Egyptian Arabic, but I'm not concerned about my inability to speak right now. ||||||||||||preoccupato||||||| |чекаю|чекаю з нетерпінням||стати||||||||стурбований|||нездатність|||| |||||||||||||||話せないこと|||| Um, I enjoy these sessions with Adel Samy my new tutor in Alexandria, because he's funny. |||||||Samy|||||Alexandria||| ||||||||||||Alessandria||| ||||||Адель Самі|Самі||новий|репетитор||Александрії||він|смішний

And he keeps me going and we have almost philosophical discussions where he has to give me the words and he writes the words out on the screen before I'm actually able to say them. |||||||||philosophisch||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||deep, thoughtful||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||哲学的な||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||підтримує||||||майже|філософські||||||давати||||і||пише|||на екран|||екран|||насправді|||| But that's fine. ||Але це добре. I certainly couldn't carry on a conversation, but it's extremely enjoyable. |確かに||||||||| |звісно||вести|||розмова|||надзвичайно|дуже приємно And so the sort of passive, you know, discovering the language I find enjoyable. |||||indirect, receptive, non-active|||||||| ||||||||発見すること||||| |||||пасивний спосіб|||||||знаходжу| Et donc le genre de passif, vous savez, découvrir la langue que je trouve agréable.

If I were genuinely concerned about how weak I am in speaking the language, I would feel, you know, distraught. |||truly|worried about|worried regarding||not proficient||||||||||||deeply upset |||||||||||||||||||abalado |||||||schwach||||||||||||bestürzt |||||||debole||||||||||||disperato |||||||||||||||||||心烦意乱 |||щиро||||слабкий|||||||я|б я|відчував би|||засмучений |||本当に||||||||||||||||取り乱す Si j'étais vraiment préoccupé par ma faiblesse à parler la langue, je me sentirais, vous savez, désemparé. And that's why I kind of reminded myself that, you know, very often people identify learning a language with being able to speak the language. |||||||||||||||l'apprendimento||||||||| |ось чому|||ніби||нагадував собі|собі|||||дуже часто||ототожнюють|||||||||| Et c'est pourquoi je me suis en quelque sorte rappelé que, vous savez, très souvent, les gens identifient l'apprentissage d'une langue à la capacité de parler la langue. And what can I say now? ¿Y qué puedo decir ahora? And of course we want to speak the language eventually and we want to speak well, however, there's no need to be anxious about how we're doing now or at the beginning, or even a fair way along in the language, as long as we are enjoying the language. ||||||||||||||||||||||worried or nervous|||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||lungo|||||| |||||||||зрештою||||||||||||||||||||||||||певний етап||||||||||||| Et bien sûr, nous voulons parler la langue éventuellement et nous voulons bien parler, cependant, il n'y a pas besoin de s'inquiéter de la façon dont nous faisons maintenant ou au début, ou même un bon chemin dans la langue, tant que nous apprécions la langue.

And so, uh, I think very often in the sort of standard classroom, there's a tremendous emphasis placed on producing the language, speaking the language, which is fine because that's what people want to do. ||||||||||||||||強調|||||||||||||||||| 所以,呃,我经常认为,在那种标准的课堂上,非常强调生产语言,说语言,这很好,因为那是人们想要做的。 But what I think is more important is what will I be able to do with them, the language in a year from now?

And from that perspective, I'm not tremendously motivated to speak. |||Perspektive|||sehr||| ||||||highly||| |||視点|||非常に||| ||||||надзвичайно||| Now I have this a couple of sessions a week just to maintain that human contact with, with someone who speaks the language, but it doesn't bother me that I can't speak well. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||mi disturba|||||| No, I fully appreciate that there are situations where we need to learn to speak the language because we have immigrated to our country. ||||||||||||||||||||immigriert||| |||understand and value|||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||言語||||移住した||| |||розумію|||||||||||||||||іммігрували|||

And, and when you're in that situation, of course, you're getting a lot of input, a lot of input you're listening and reading all the time. And you're trying to speak wherever you can. And so you have this urgency to speak, which is fine, but even there, you shouldn't be concerned about short-term difficulties in using the language because it's been my experience. |||||Dringlichkeit||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||personal observation |||||緊急性||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||терміновість||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||urgenza||||||||||||preoccupato||||||||||||| Et donc vous avez cette urgence de parler, ce qui est bien, mais même là, vous ne devriez pas vous soucier des difficultés à court terme à utiliser la langue parce que c'est mon expérience.

I mean, I can remember when I was learning Czech, for example, I was six months at, at listening to stuff on Czech history, fascinating stuff about the the Austro-Hungarian empire or Prague, and, uh, you know, under, um, Charles you know, king Charles back in the 14th century. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||österreichisch|Ungarischen||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||魅力的な||||||||||||||||カール||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||захоплюючі речі|||||Австро-Угорської імперії|угорською мовою||||||||||||||||||| And I, I went to this body shop where the person there spoke Czech. En ik, ik ging naar een carrosseriebedrijf waar de persoon daar Tsjechisch sprak. 而我,我去了这家车身修理厂,那里的人会说捷克语。

And I couldn't say a thing. I couldn't say a thing, but now, and when I went to, first of all, now I can understand so much Czech. I can understand, you know, what people say and little clips that I find on Twitter. ||||||||||片段||||| ||||||||||Videos||||| ||||||||||クリップ||||| ||||||||||уривки відео||||| ||||||||||video clip||||| 你知道,我可以理解人们所说的话以及我在 Twitter 上找到的小片段。 Uh, and when I was in the Czech Republic, I was communicating just fine. |||||||||||спілкувався|| So the point is, again, I guess it's a common theme that I have is don't put too much pressure on yourself. ||||||penso||||||||||||||| Donc, le fait est, encore une fois, que c'est un thème commun que j'ai, c'est de ne pas se mettre trop de pression.

Uh, obviously, if you're in a situation where you, you need to speak better quickly, even there fastest path to that is lots of input activities. ||||||||||||||||||percorso||||||| And speaking wherever you have the chance, but if you are on a, as I am in the case of Arabic, I have no immediate urgency to speak the language I achieve what I achieve. ||||||||||||||||||||||ho|||||||||raggiungo ciò che||| ||||||||||||||||||||||||негайна|термінова потреба||||||||| Twice a week.

I speak sometimes better, sometimes worse. I focus on input. I'm enjoying it. Good enough. And there could be some surprises. |||||Überraschungen |||||驚きがあるかも。 Y podría haber algunas sorpresas. Maybe if I move on to Turkish and then I come back to Arabic, all of a sudden my Arabic speaking ability will improve as was the case with my Persian speaking ability after this period of benign neglect. |||||||||||||||||||||||||||è stato il caso||||||||||trascuratezza bene| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||無害な|放置 也许如果我转向土耳其语然后我回到阿拉伯语,突然间我的阿拉伯语口语能力会提高,就像我在这段良性忽视之后的波斯语口语能力一样。

So don't be too fast. I shouldn't say don't speak, but it needn't be, you know, the objective number one in the early stages of learning the language, it's more a matter of what you feel like doing and what your needs. |||||||non deve||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||目的||||||||||||もっと|||の||||||||| 我不应该说不要说话,但你知道,在学习语言的早期阶段,它不一定是第一目标,更多的是你想做什么和你的需求的问题。 So thank you for listening. Bye for now. Au revoir.