Richard Scheller Developing Products that Save Lives No.2
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理查德·谢勒 (Richard Scheller) 开发拯救生命的产品 No.2
理查德謝勒 (Richard Scheller) 開發拯救生命的產品 No.2
I'm in charge of discovering medicines that will make a real difference in people's lives.
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||sorumluyum||keşfetmek|ilaçlar||||||||insanların|
Я занимаюсь разработкой лекарств, которые реально изменят жизнь людей.
So, as you may know Genentech is now an incorporated company in the United States but 100 percent owned by a large Swiss drug company called Roche.
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But our group is completely independent and our job is to discover medicines that make a difference.
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We don't make any generic drugs.
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||||jenerik|ilaçlar
Мы не производим дженериков.
We don't make any copies of other drugs.
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Innovation is our... We're going to live or die based on innovation.
Yenilikçilik|||||||||||yenilikçilik
Инновации - это наше... Мы будем жить или умрем, основываясь на инновациях.
We also believe very strongly in the view of personalized medicine.
||||güçlü bir şekilde|||||kişiye özel|kişiselleştirilmiş tıp
Мы также очень верим в идею персонализированной медицины.
That is, making medicines that are tailored to individuals.
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|||ilaçlar|||uyarlanmış||bireyler
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То есть создание лекарств, которые подбираются индивидуально.
The Roche group owns two businesses: a pharmaceutical business and a diagnostic business.
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So, very large, I don't know, maybe fourth, fifth largest pharmaceutical company in the world and the largest diagnostic company in the world.
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So the idea is to make medicines that really, really deliver benefit-tangible, terrific benefit-for people.
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Идея состоит в том, чтобы создавать лекарства, которые действительно приносят пользу - ощутимую, потрясающую пользу для людей.
So if we make a medicine for somebody with cancer, we have to show that they actually live longer when they take the medicine, for example.
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So I oversee research.
||연구를 관리하다|
||Araştırmayı denetlerim.|araştırma çalışmaları
Поэтому я слежу за исследованиями.
So our research group is about 1,300 folks.
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We have about 150 other people who are post docs.
||||||||doktora sonrası araştırmacı
Tenemos unas 150 personas más que son postdoctorales.
У нас есть еще около 150 человек, которые являются постдоками.
Now, why would we have a post-doc program?
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People come through.
İnsanlar gelir.||
Люди проходят.
They come from all over the world.
They stay for four five years.
Они остаются на четыре-пять лет.
They bring in new techniques and ideas.
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They're not cynical yet.
||그들은 아직 냉소적이지 않다.|
Onlar||Henüz alaycı değiller.|
||皮肉な|
Они еще не циничны.
They work at night and in the weekends and it just energizes the place.
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Они работают по ночам и в выходные, и это заряжает энергией.
Then we have scientists at various levels.
|||bilim insanları|||
Затем у нас есть ученые разных уровней.
And the job of the scientist is two-fold, to do basic science.
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И работа ученого двойная: заниматься фундаментальной наукой.
We'd like to give each of our scientists somewhere, some what we call discretionary time.
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Мы хотели бы предоставить каждому из наших ученых некоторое количество времени, которое мы называем свободным.
Maybe that's somewhere between 10 and 30 percent of their time, so it depends on the individuals.
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Some people are, frankly, it's a 100 percent but that's a different topic.
|||dürüst olmak gerekirse||||||||farklı konu
Некоторые, честно говоря, на 100 процентов, но это уже другая тема.
And with their discretionary time, they're supposed to just do interesting things.
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|||isteğe bağlı||||||||
Do whatever you want; make a discovery, publish a paper.
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We published 20 papers in science, nature and cell last year; hundreds of papers overall from the company.
||makale|||Nature dergisinde||Cell dergisinde||||||genel olarak|||
But the other real tangible deliverable of the scientist is to come up with a medicine and move that medicine into what we call early development.
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||||somut|teslim edilebilir çıktı||||||||||ilaç||||ilaç||||||erken geliştirme aşaması
그러나 과학자의 다른 실제적인 결과물은 의약품을 개발하고 그 의약품을 우리가 초기 개발이라고 부르는 단계로 이동시키는 것입니다.
And in early development, the compound goes through various further stages of testing to make sure that it's safe.
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|||geliştirme aşaması|bu|bileşik||||daha ileri|aşamalar||||||||
Y en las primeras fases de desarrollo, el compuesto se somete a diversas pruebas para garantizar su seguridad.
초기 개발 단계에서는 화합물이 안전한지 확인하기 위해 다양한 추가 테스트 단계를 거칩니다.
We do all the work to file in I&D.
우리는 I&D를 제출하기 위한 모든 작업을 수행합니다.
Мы выполняем всю работу по подаче документов в I&D.
That's a new drug application with the FDA and we file the I&D and then we do the clinical studies Phase I and Phase II.
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||||başvuru|||FDA (Amerikan Gıda ve İlaç Dairesi)||||||||||||klinik|çalışmalar|Faz||||Faz II
In Phase I, you usually just treat patients.
||||||tedavi edersiniz|hastaları
Then, make sure that the drug is safe.
You start at a very, very low dose.
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I mean, imagine, putting something into a human that's never been in a human before.
Slowly, escalate the dose.
|서서히 증량하다||
|yükseltmek||
It depends on the disease.
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Sometimes it will be in patients with the disease, sometimes not.
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But then, usually in Phase II, you do a relatively small number of patients but enough patients so that you have statistical power to see that you're making a difference in the disease.
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And what we then do would be, if their Phase II trial works, to hand the medicine to them, the Global Development Group, to do the final clinical testing.
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And the final clinical testing would then be done in 80 countries around the world.
|||klinik|||||||ülkede|||
It's a logistical absolute nightmare.
||물류의 악몽||악몽
||lojistik açıdan kabus|kesinlikle|
Это абсолютный кошмар с точки зрения логистики.
It's done in many, many more patients so that the statistical power increases dramatically.
||||||hastalar üzerinde||||istatistiksel||artar|çarpıcı biçimde
Это делается на гораздо большем количестве пациентов, так что статистическая мощность значительно возрастает.
And then, work with the regulatory authorities to get permission, if you will-so the FDA, in case of the United States-permission to market the drug.
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||çalışmak|||düzenleyici|Yetkili makamlar|||izin alma||||||FDA|||||||izin alma||||
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А затем - работа с регулирующими органами, чтобы получить разрешение, если хотите - FDA, если речь идет о США, - разрешение на продажу препарата.
So my job is to deliver molecules that we say have gone through proof of concept.
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Así que mi trabajo es entregar moléculas que digamos que han pasado la prueba de concepto.
Итак, моя работа состоит в том, чтобы доставлять молекулы, которые, как мы говорим, прошли проверку концепции.
We believe that they work.
We have the chemical entity.
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|||Kimyasal madde|kimyasal varlık
We know that it can be manufactured and to hand this to the Global Group where there's a lot of science involved but there's a huge amount of logistics and regulatory involvement.
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And that's when the commercial people get involved and so on.
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Frankly, I'm less interested in that.
Açıkçası|||||
I then go back and try to discover a new medicine and show that it works.
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From the concept of "maybe this molecule would work in this disease" to actually marketing the drug, well, it depends.
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||kavram||||molekül||||||||pazarlama|||||
If it went incredibly fast it could be ten years.
|||inanılmaz derecede||||||
It's more like 15 years and the average cost is about $1.5 billion to get it to the market.
Now the $1.5 billion includes the failures.
|||||başarısızlıklar
Теперь в 1,5 миллиарда долларов входят и неудачи.
So that's taken into account.
||dikkate alındı||
Так что это учтено.
So how many make it?
That varies from company to company.
|değişir||||
I would say probably on the average 10 percent make it.
||||ortalama olarak||ortalama olarak|yüzde on||
For us, it's probably more like 25 percent.
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But I think the industry is going to do much, much better in the next decade.
||||sektör|||||||||||önümüzdeki on yıl
And the reason is that there's been an explosion in knowledge about biology.
|||||oldu|||patlama||||biyoloji hakkında bilgi
What I think was happening in the industry in the '80s and the '90s, there were a bunch of successes.
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Drug companies-Merck, Pfizer, Roche-they were making tons of money.
||머크|화이자|||||||
||Merck|Pfizer|Roche||||tonlarca||
And then, they're saying "But we've got to stay a growth company.
|||||"zorundayız"|||||büyüme şirketi|
А потом они говорят: «Но мы должны оставаться развивающейся компанией.
We need to grow."
So they gave a lot of money to the heads of R&D.
But frankly, they weren't very good targets.
|açıkçası|||||hedefler
But what is the head of R&D supposed to do?
Say, "I don't know what to do.
They aren't very good target.
||||hedef
Они не очень хорошая цель.
Here, take the money back"?
No, of course not.
They spent the money on lousy targets.
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|||||berbat|hedefler
But, during that time, there was a tremendous revolution in the understanding of biology that was taking place which, as I said, is partially why I moved to industry.
|||||||büyük çaplı|büyük devrim||o|||biyoloji anlayışı|o dönemde|||||||||kısmen|||||endüstri sektörü
Ancak bu süre zarfında biyoloji anlayışında muazzam bir devrim yaşanıyordu ve dediğim gibi, endüstriye geçmemin nedeni kısmen buydu.
And I think that now there are incredible targets that we work on.
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И я думаю, что теперь у нас есть невероятные цели, над которыми мы работаем.
Ve bence şu anda üzerinde çalıştığımız inanılmaz hedefler var.
Think about cancer.
||Kanseri düşün.
Kanseri düşünün.
We take the cancer, we take the tumor, we sequence the DNA of the tumor.
|||kanser||||tümörün DNA'sını|Biz|dizilemek|||||
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Мы берем рак, берем опухоль, секвенируем ДНК опухоли.
When we sequence the DNA of the normal tissue, we find out what genes are mutated, what genes are actually causing the cell to be a cancer cell.
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||配列|||||||||||||変異した||||||||||||
And then, it target those.
А затем нацелился на них.
Is that going to work?
Yes, it's going to work.
Да, это сработает.
But they are working.
You know they work.
But that is just terrific sort of pre-clinical validation.
|bu|||Ama bu sadece harika bir tür pre-klinik doğrulamadır.|||öncesi klinik|klinik öncesi|ön doğrulama
Но это всего лишь потрясающее доклиническое подтверждение.
Those are the kinds of things that you want to work on versus not knowing what to work on.
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Это те вещи, над которыми вы хотите работать, а не не знаете, над чем работать.
So, it's an expensive and difficult process.
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Also, the industry is facing a lot of head wins from various countries including our country, on being willing to pay for prescription drugs.
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|sektör|sektör||karşı karşıya kalmak|||||zorluklar|||||ülkemizin|ülke|||istekli olmak||||reçeteli ilaçlar|reçeteli ilaçlar
Además, la industria se está enfrentando a un montón de victorias en la cabeza de varios países, incluido el nuestro, en cuanto a estar dispuestos a pagar por los medicamentos recetados.
Кроме того, индустрия сталкивается с тем, что разные страны, в том числе и наша, готовы платить за рецептурные препараты.
Some of our drugs are extremely expensive.
If we make a drug for a certain cancer on their 10,000 patients per year, it's not unusual to charge around $50,000, $60,000 a year for the drug, which we have to in order to basically re-coup the investment.
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Если мы производим лекарство от определенного вида рака для их 10 000 пациентов в год, нет ничего необычного в том, чтобы взимать за лекарство от 50 000 до 60 000 долларов в год, что нам необходимо для того, чтобы фактически окупить инвестиции.
But, look, if you're going to live longer we think it's delivering value.
|Ama bak|||||||||değer sağladığını|değer katmak|
Но если вы собираетесь жить дольше, мы считаем, что это приносит пользу.
If you're going to take some risks and some big risk, you're going to have a higher chance of failure.
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Если вы собираетесь рисковать, причем рисковать по-крупному, у вас будет больше шансов потерпеть неудачу.
But these risks if they work out, you can have some really big hits.
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Но эти риски, если они сработают, могут привести к действительно большим успехам.
So, how do you encourage that type of innovation and risk taking in the organization if people know that, "Boy, if I fail, this is going to be an incredibly expensive failure."?
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So there must be a lot of tension between that or how do you walk that line - trying to encourage risk-taking and innovation and not wanting to have some big failures.
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Yeah.
Ага.
Well, we just have to accept that we're going to have big failures.
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So we have a portfolio balance portfolio approach.
||||portföy|denge|portföy|yaklaşım
Поэтому мы используем подход, основанный на балансе портфелей.
So, for instance, in the Phase III, portfolio now has 13 new molecular entities.
||örneğin|||Aşama||portföy||||moleküler|moleküler varlıklar
So with that, that's a new compound.
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I say 13 because there are probably 50 clinical studies going on.
Sometimes the molecules are tested in more than one type of cancer, for example, and those are separate studies.
||moleküller|||||||||kanser türü||||||ayrı|
So 13 new molecular entities, each one, by that stage, has a commercial value associated with it.
||moleküler|moleküler varlıklar|||tarafından||aşama|sahip olur||ticari değer||ilişkili||
Итак, 13 новых молекулярных образований, каждое из которых к этому моменту имеет коммерческую ценность.
That's also getting better but those are usually wrong.
I mean, the drug that we sell a lytic for dissolving blood clot was supposed to be a several billion dollar drug and it sells $200 million a year.
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Я имею в виду, что препарат, который мы продаем как литик для растворения кровяных сгустков, должен был стать лекарством стоимостью в несколько миллиардов долларов, а продается на 200 миллионов долларов в год.
And a drug for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma was supposed to be a couple of hundred million a year and last year, it was the largest selling drug in the Roche group and sold $6 billion.
|||||Hodgkin's lymphoma||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|||||Hodgkin olmayan|lenfoma||bekleniyordu||||||||||||||||en çok satan|||||Roche grubu||||
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So it's just the opposite of what the commercial prediction's worth.
||||tam tersi||||reklam tahmini|tahminin değeri|
Así que es justo lo contrario de lo que vale la predicción comercial.
Так что это прямо противоположно тому, чего стоит коммерческий прогноз.
But that's better now than it was 10 years ago.
So we have a commercial value associated with each molecule.
||||ticari değer||ilişkilendirilmiş|||molekül
And then, we have associated with that a probability of technical success, a probability that the molecule will work in Phase III.
||||ilişkilendirdik||||başarı olasılığı||teknik başarı|teknik başarı||başarı olasılığı|||molekül||||Faz III|
And we take that all the way back, even to the portfolio that I managed in Phase I, where we have a probability of technical success of the molecule getting to the market.
|||||||||||portföy|||||||||||teknik başarı olasılığı||teknik başarı||||molekülün başarısı||||
Y nos remontamos hasta la cartera que dirigí en la fase I, donde tenemos una probabilidad de éxito técnico de que la molécula llegue al mercado.
И мы учитываем это на всех этапах, вплоть до портфеля, которым я управлял на первой фазе, где у нас есть вероятность технического успеха молекулы на рынке.
So what's the probability it will make it through Phase I, probability through Phase II, Phase III, through regulatory.
|||olasılık||||||Aşama||olasılık||Aşama||Aşama|||düzenleyici onay
Obviously, as a molecule moves through the pipeline, the probability goes up as it passes one hurdle, and the next hurdle and the hurdle.
|olarak||molekül|hareket eder|içinden geçerken|engeli|işlem hattı||olasılık||||o molekül|||engel||||engel|||
Evidentemente, a medida que una molécula avanza por la cadena, la probabilidad aumenta al superar un obstáculo, y el siguiente, y el siguiente.
So, we have a portfolio with known value for each molecule and the probability of the molecules working.
||||portföy||||||molekül|||olasılık|||moleküller|
And then, we balance the portfolio with more risky projects and projects that we feel are close to a slam dunk, if there ever is such a thing in our business, and manage the portfolio that way.
|||denge sağlarız|portföyü||||riskli|||||||||||kesin başarı|kesin başarı||||||||||||||||
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Y luego, equilibramos la cartera con proyectos más arriesgados y proyectos que creemos que están cerca de ser pan comido, si es que existe algo así en nuestro negocio, y gestionamos la cartera de esa manera.
А затем мы балансируем портфель более рискованными проектами и проектами, которые, по нашему мнению, близки к "шальному удару", если таковой вообще возможен в нашем бизнесе, и управляем портфелем таким образом.
