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Better at English, 042 – Make the Most of your Motivation part 2 of 2 – Real English Conversations

042 – Make the Most of your Motivation part 2 of 2 – Real English Conversations

Hi English learners! Lori here, your teacher from Betteratenglish.com. Last week I shared the first part of a cool conversation I had with Dr. BJ Fogg, all about making the most of your motivation. Today you'll be hearing part two, the final part of this conversation. If you missed the first part, make sure to go back and listen to part one first, and then come back and listen to part two.

At the end of part one, BJ was telling me about his goal to get better at writing neatly on a whiteboard. He knew that he needed to practice a lot if he wanted to improve, so he wanted to make it as easy as possible to practice every day. In this part of the conversation, you'll hear what he did to change his environment to make practicing easy, even on days when his motivation is low. You'll also hear about how his practice routine is working for him.

As always, you can find the full transcript of this conversation, including a bonus vocabulary lesson at betteratenglish.com/transcripts.

Are you ready? Let's go!

BJ: One of the habits I'm doing right now is, I'm practicing whiteboarding. I'm practicing with markers writing on a whiteboard. You know, like teachers do.

Lori: Right.

BJ: And I want my handwriting to get much, much better and so, I'm practicing every day. But anyway, what I did was I went out and I got some marker paper, I got a bunch of markers, I got different whiteboards so I have whiteboards in different parts of my house. I have the marker paper, I have markers, I have a marker in my bathroom, one in my sun room, I have a whole set in my office, I have a whole set in my other office. In other words, I made it really, really easy to practice writing with markers by getting all the materials and getting everything set up. And I did that when I was in a period of high motivation. So now, it's really easy just to pick up a marker and practice. I don't have to be super motivated.

Lori: Right.

And– and you can tell yourself that, you know, “You have all your materials. It's all easy right at hand.” You could even tell yourself, “I'm just going to write one sentence. That's all I feel like doing right now and —

BJ: Yeah.

In fact, just before your call, that's what I did. I was sitting down and I was going to read but I was like, “No, no. I'm just going to, like, get out the marker board and write one sentence.” And I ended up filling up the entire marker board because I thought, “Oh, this is kind of fun. I'm going to keep going.”

Lori: Yeah —

BJ: And then, you called.

Lori: Have– have you — oh, I'm sorry to interrupt your practice… [laughs]

BJ: [crosstalk] No, I was expecting your call.

Lori: …while you were on a roll. But yeah, and I guess…how's your writing? Has it been improving? It must be improving.

BJ: Oh my gosh, it's so much better.

Lori: And that —

BJ: Yeah.

Lori: Because I can imagine when you start seeing that your efforts are paying off, that that makes it more likely that you're going to pick up those pens and do your practicing.

BJ: Yeah, and I– I think there are some behaviors or skills where it becomes clear pretty quickly — your progress. And then there are some, at least outcomes, where it's harder to measure like, “Wow, am I really reducing my stress? Am I really getting healthier? Am I really…,” you know, whereas the whiteboarding — and then, I practice guitar every day… Lori: Oh! Cool.

BJ: …and– and other things. Yeah, but in those two cases, it's very clear that you're getting better. It's just obvious that you're getting better. And the writing is one that I may have other people join me in because…and then take pictures before and after because it's– it's quite dramatic. Lori: I…yeah, I can imagine if you practice. I mean, I haven't practiced writing really since I was a kid; and learning to write and then, you know, you get your hand style and you think that that's sort of what you're stuck with for the rest of your life.

[laughs]

BJ: And part of it is changing; changing like what your style is. You know, because my normal style doesn't work very well on a whiteboard so I have, sort of…it's almost like having, well, in some ways, speaking a different language because you shift into a different gear. So, I speak Spanish and French, and I know when I speak those languages, I go into a different gear. It's just different. And when I'm writing on a whiteboard, it's not like I'm writing in a notebook. It's just…I'm drawing in a different– different movements and different ways of thinking, well, about the letters and the spacing of the letters. And on the whiteboard, I'm trying to get things very straight, up and down just like you might try to get an accent, like, you know, an accent right and you're really focusing. I think there's probably a lot in common about learning languages and practicing other skills.

Lori: There really is. I notice when I hear people talking about health and fitness, you could almost substitute…you know, just substitute some of the nouns and verbs and it would all…like the principles are all– all the same or often quite the same.

Yeah, time is almost up. I only have one final thing I would like to ask you and…

BJ: Okay.

Lori: …that is — sometimes I notice when I'm working with learners, they tend to beat themselves up when they feel like they're not motivated or they're not able to do hard things and I want…you know, ever since I saw or learned about the motivation wave, I thought, “Oh, that's one thing I really want people to know, that it's normal that your motivation is going to fluctuate.” And could you just confirm that for me? [laughs]

BJ: Yeah, you know, there are times…there might be a day when all I do is write one word with my marker. But that's okay because I'm still keeping the practice alive. So I think about it, I learned this a long time ago as a student…is I'm working on a very big paper that really is intimidating and it's hard that I worked on it every day — I write at least one sentence. And I…the next day I can go back and erase the sentence if I want to. But I always write at least one sentence. And if that's all I get done, it's like, “Great! I did my sentence for the day.” And what happens is a lot like what we talked about, I write a sentence like, “Oh! I might as well write the next one…Oh! The next one…the next one.” Now later, you've got all of the paper done. But the key is, you cannot — on those days when you're stressed or busy with other things or just somehow not motivated to do that behavior, just do a little, tiny bit and congratulate yourself for doing that little, tiny bit and move on.

Lori: Right, right. Oh, that is– that is such great advice.

BJ: As long as you keep taking those small steps, you'll get there. Once you stop taking the steps, you don't only just stop, you slide backwards. There's no way to stay still. You're either moving forward or you're sliding backward. Lori: Right, exactly. Well, BJ, thank you so much. And I know you've got another interview scheduled in the next minute but I just really…I'm so, so, so happy that you– that you took.. and wanted to take the time and let me… BJ: Well…

Lori: …pick your brain a little bit.

BJ: Well, you are welcome. And helping people learn languages is really important work. I mean, when you learn a language, you're able to connect with people you wouldn't otherwise, you're able to do things you couldn't otherwise, travel, experience — it just opens up a different world. And so I think it's a wonderful thing to be helping people do.

Lori: Yeah. Oh, thank you so much.

That brings us to the end of this two part conversation with Dr. BJ Fogg. I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as I did recording it!

You've learned about the motivation wave, that it's totally normal for motivation to go up and down over time. You've also learned that when motivation is low, we can only do easy things. When motivation is high, that's when we can do hard things. To find out more, I encourage you to watch the video of BJ's talk that I've linked to in the transcript.

To get the most English learning benefit from this conversation, make sure to download the transcript for this episode so you can read along to check your understanding. The transcript also has notes about the language we use in the conversation, including vocabulary explanations and example sentences. You can find the transcript at betteratenglish.com/transcripts.

Until next time, have fun practicing your English! If you have questions or suggestions about what you would like to hear in these podcasts, I'd love to hear them. You can find all the ways to get in touch with me at Betteratenglish.com/contact. Bye for now!

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Hi English learners! Salut|| 嗨,英语学习者! Lori here, your teacher from Betteratenglish.com. لوري|||||أفضل في الإنجليزية| Last week I shared the first part of a cool conversation I had with Dr. BJ Fogg, all about making the most of your motivation. La semaine dernière, j'ai partagé la première partie d'une conversation intéressante que j'ai eue avec le Dr BJ Fogg, sur la façon de tirer le meilleur parti de votre motivation. 先週、私はBJフォッグ博士とのクールな会話の最初の部分を共有しました。すべて、あなたのモチベーションを最大限に活用することについてです。 Na semana passada, compartilhei a primeira parte de uma conversa legal que tive com o Dr. BJ Fogg, sobre como aproveitar ao máximo sua motivação. Today you'll be hearing part two, the final part of this conversation. 今天你将听到第二部分,也就是这次谈话的最后一部分。 If you missed the first part, make sure to go back and listen to part one first, and then come back and listen to part two. Si vous avez manqué la première partie, n'oubliez pas de revenir en arrière et d'écouter d'abord la première partie, puis de revenir écouter la deuxième partie. 最初のパートを見逃した場合は、必ず最初に戻ってパート1を聴いてから、戻ってパート2を聴いてください。

At the end of part one, BJ was telling me about his goal to get better at writing neatly on a whiteboard. ||||||||||||||||||clearly||| ||||||||||||||||||de forma organizada||| À la fin de la première partie, BJ m'a parlé de son objectif d'améliorer sa capacité à écrire proprement sur un tableau blanc. He knew that he needed to practice a lot if he wanted to improve, so he wanted to make it as easy as possible to practice every day. Il savait qu'il devait s'entraîner beaucoup s'il voulait s'améliorer, et il a donc voulu rendre l'entraînement quotidien aussi facile que possible. 彼は自分が改善したいのならたくさん練習する必要があることを知っていたので、彼は毎日できるだけ簡単に練習できるようにしたかったのです。 In this part of the conversation, you'll hear what he did to change his environment to make practicing easy, even on days when his motivation is low. Dans cette partie de la conversation, vous apprendrez ce qu'il a fait pour modifier son environnement afin de s'entraîner facilement, même les jours où sa motivation est faible. 会話のこの部分では、モチベーションが低い日でも、練習を容易にするために環境を変えるために彼が何をしたかを聞くことができます。 Nesta parte da conversa, você ouvirá o que ele fez para mudar seu ambiente para tornar a prática mais fácil, mesmo nos dias em que sua motivação é baixa. You'll also hear about how his practice routine is working for him. Vous apprendrez également comment sa routine d'entraînement fonctionne pour lui. 您还将了解他的练习程序如何为他工作。

As always, you can find the full transcript of this conversation, including a bonus vocabulary lesson at betteratenglish.com/transcripts.

Are you ready? Let's go!

BJ: One of the habits I'm doing right now is, I'm practicing whiteboarding. ||||||||||||brainstorming BJ : L'une des habitudes que je prends en ce moment, c'est de m'entraîner à utiliser un tableau blanc. BJ:私が今している習慣の1つは、ホワイトボードを練習していることです。 BJ: Um dos hábitos que estou adotando agora é praticar o quadro branco. I'm practicing with markers writing on a whiteboard. Je m'entraîne avec des marqueurs à écrire sur un tableau blanc. ホワイトボードにマーカーを書いて練習しています。 You know, like teachers do.

Lori: Right.

BJ: And I want my handwriting to get much, much better and so, I'm practicing every day. BJ : Et je veux que mon écriture s'améliore beaucoup, beaucoup, et donc je m'entraîne tous les jours. BJ:筆跡をもっと良くしてほしいので、毎日練習しています。 BJ: E eu quero que minha caligrafia fique muito, muito melhor e então, estou praticando todos os dias. But anyway, what I did was I went out and I got some marker paper, I got a bunch of markers, I got different whiteboards so I have whiteboards in different parts of my house. ||||||||||||||||||un tas|||||||||||||||| Quoi qu'il en soit, ce que j'ai fait, c'est que je suis allée chercher du papier marqueur, j'ai acheté un tas de marqueurs, j'ai acheté différents tableaux blancs, de sorte que j'ai des tableaux blancs dans différentes parties de ma maison. とにかく、私がやったことは、外に出てマーカー紙を手に入れ、たくさんのマーカーを手に入れ、さまざまなホワイトボードを手に入れたので、家のさまざまな場所にホワイトボードを置いています。 Mas de qualquer maneira, o que eu fiz foi sair e pegar um papel marcador, um monte de marcadores, eu tenho diferentes quadros brancos, então tenho quadros brancos em diferentes partes da minha casa. 但无论如何,我所做的是我出去拿了一些记号纸,我有一堆记号笔,我有不同的白板,所以我家的不同地方都有白板。 I have the marker paper, I have markers, I have a marker in my bathroom, one in my sun room, I have a whole set in my office, I have a whole set in my other office. Ich habe das Markerpapier, ich habe Marker, ich habe einen Marker in meinem Badezimmer, einen in meinem Wintergarten, ich habe ein ganzes Set in meinem Büro, ich habe ein ganzes Set in meinem anderen Büro. J'ai du papier marqueur, j'ai des marqueurs, j'en ai un dans ma salle de bain, un dans mon solarium, j'en ai toute une série dans mon bureau, j'en ai toute une série dans mon autre bureau. 私はマーカーペーパーを持っています、私はマーカーを持っています、私は私のバスルームにマーカーを持っています、1つは私のサンルームにあります、私は私のオフィスにすべてのセットを持っています、私は他のオフィスにすべてのセットを持っています。 Tenho o papel marcador, tenho marcadores, tenho um marcador no meu banheiro, um no meu solário, tenho um conjunto completo no meu escritório, tenho um conjunto inteiro no meu outro escritório. 我有记号纸,我有记号笔,我的浴室里有一个记号笔,我的阳光房里有一个,我的办公室里有一整套,我的另一个办公室里有一整套。 In other words, I made it really, really easy to practice writing with markers by getting all the materials and getting everything set up. En d'autres termes, j'ai fait en sorte qu'il soit très, très facile de s'entraîner à écrire avec des marqueurs en me procurant tout le matériel nécessaire et en mettant tout en place. Em outras palavras, tornei muito, muito fácil praticar a escrita com marcadores, obtendo todos os materiais e configurando tudo. And I did that when I was in a period of high motivation. そして、モチベーションの高い時期にそうしました。 E fiz isso quando estava em um período de alta motivação. So now, it's really easy just to pick up a marker and practice. Désormais, il est très facile de prendre un marqueur et de s'entraîner. だから今、マーカーを手に取って練習するだけで本当に簡単です。 Agora, é realmente fácil apenas pegar um marcador e praticar. I don't have to be super motivated. Je n'ai pas besoin d'être super motivé. 私は非常にやる気がある必要はありません。

Lori: Right.

And– and you can tell yourself that, you know, “You have all your materials. Et... et vous pouvez vous dire, vous savez, "Vous avez tout votre matériel. It's all easy right at hand.” You could even tell yourself, “I'm just going to write one sentence. Vous pouvez même vous dire : "Je ne vais écrire qu'une phrase. 手元にあるのはすべて簡単です。」 「私はただ一文を書くつもりです。 É tudo fácil na mão. ” Você pode até dizer a si mesmo: “Vou escrever apenas uma frase. That's all I feel like doing right now and — C'est tout ce que j'ai envie de faire en ce moment et - Isso é tudo que tenho vontade de fazer agora e - 这就是我现在想做的所有事情,而且——

BJ: Yeah.

In fact, just before your call, that's what I did. Na verdade, pouco antes de sua ligação, foi o que eu fiz. I was sitting down and I was going to read but I was like, “No, no. J'étais assise et j'allais lire, mais je me suis dit : "Non, non. 私は座って本を読むつもりでしたが、「いや、いや。 Eu estava sentado e ia ler, mas pensei, “Não, não. I'm just going to, like, get out the marker board and write one sentence.” And I ended up filling up the entire marker board because I thought, “Oh, this is kind of fun. Ich werde einfach die Markierungstafel herausholen und einen Satz schreiben. Und am Ende füllte ich das gesamte Markerboard, weil ich dachte: „Oh, das macht irgendwie Spaß. Et j'ai fini par remplir tout le tableau parce que je me suis dit : "Oh, c'est assez amusant. マーカーボードを取り出して一文書くだけです。」そして、「ああ、これはちょっと楽しい」と思ったので、マーカーボード全体を埋めることになりました。 Só vou pegar o quadro e escrever uma frase. ” E acabei enchendo todo o quadro de marcadores porque pensei: “Oh, isso é divertido. 我只是打算,比如,拿出记号板,写一句话。”最后我填满了整个标记板,因为我想,“哦,这很有趣。 I'm going to keep going.” Ich werde weitermachen.“ Je vais continuer." 続けます。」 Eu vou continuar. ”

Lori: Yeah —

BJ: And then, you called.

Lori: Have– have you — oh, I'm sorry to interrupt your practice… [laughs] Lori: Você - você - oh, desculpe interromper sua prática ... [risos]

BJ: [crosstalk] No, I was expecting your call. BJ: [Übersprechen] Nein, ich habe Ihren Anruf erwartet. BJ:[クロストーク]いいえ、あなたの電話を期待していました。 BJ: [crosstalk] Não, eu estava esperando sua ligação. BJ:[串音]不,我在等你的电话。

Lori: …while you were on a roll. Lori: …während du auf Hochtouren warst. Lori : ...alors que vous étiez sur une lancée. ロリ:…あなたがロールに乗っている間。 Lori:… enquanto você estava em um rolo. Lori:……当你在滚动的时候。 But yeah, and I guess…how's your writing? Has it been improving? Está melhorando? 有没有好转? It must be improving. Deve estar melhorando. 它必须在改进。

BJ: Oh my gosh, it's so much better. BJ: Oh meu Deus, é muito melhor.

Lori: And that — ||isso

BJ: Yeah.

Lori: Because I can imagine when you start seeing that your efforts are paying off, that that makes it more likely that you're going to pick up those pens and do your practicing. ロリ:あなたの努力が報われているのを見始めると想像できるので、それはあなたがそれらのペンを手に取って練習する可能性が高くなります。 Lori: Porque eu posso imaginar quando você começa a ver que seus esforços estão valendo a pena, isso torna mais provável que você pegue aquelas canetas e pratique.

BJ: Yeah, and I– I think there are some behaviors or skills where it becomes clear pretty quickly — your progress. BJ: Sim, e eu– acho que há alguns comportamentos ou habilidades que ficam claros muito rapidamente - seu progresso. BJ:是的,而且我——我认为有些行为或技能很快就会变得很清楚——你的进步。 And then there are some, at least outcomes, where it's harder to measure like, “Wow, am I really reducing my stress? Und dann gibt es einige, zumindest Ergebnisse, bei denen es schwieriger zu messen ist, wie zum Beispiel: „Wow, reduziere ich wirklich meinen Stress? そして、少なくともいくつかの結果があり、次のように測定するのが難しいです。 E então há alguns, pelo menos resultados, em que é mais difícil medir, como: “Uau, estou realmente reduzindo meu estresse? 然后有一些,至少是结果,更难衡量,比如,“哇,我真的减轻了压力吗? Am I really getting healthier? Estou realmente ficando mais saudável? Am I really…,” you know, whereas the whiteboarding — and then, I practice guitar every day… Lori: Oh! |||||||tableau blanc||||||||| 私は本当に…」とあなたは知っていますが、ホワイトボード—そして私は毎日ギターを練習しています…ロリ:ああ! Estou realmente… ”, você sabe, considerando o quadro branco - e então, eu pratico violão todos os dias… Lori: Oh! 我真的……,”你知道,而白板——然后,我每天都练习吉他…… Lori:哦! Cool.

BJ: …and– and other things. Yeah, but in those two cases, it's very clear that you're getting better. Sim, mas nesses dois casos, é muito claro que você está melhorando. It's just obvious that you're getting better. É óbvio que você está melhorando. And the writing is one that I may have other people join me in because…and then take pictures before and after because it's– it's quite dramatic. そして、この文章は、他の人に参加してもらえるかもしれないものです。なぜなら…そして、それが理由で前後に写真を撮るということです。それは非常に劇的です。 E a escrita é aquela em que outras pessoas podem se juntar a mim porque ... e então tirar fotos antes e depois porque é - é muito dramático. 写作是我可能会让其他人加入我的作品,因为……然后在前后拍照,因为它是——它非常具有戏剧性。 Lori: I…yeah, I can imagine if you practice. I mean, I haven't practiced writing really since I was a kid; and learning to write and then, you know, you get your hand style and you think that that's sort of what you're stuck with for the rest of your life. Ich meine, ich habe das Schreiben nicht wirklich geübt, seit ich ein Kind war; und schreiben lernen und dann, wissen Sie, bekommen Sie Ihren Handstil und Sie denken, dass Sie für den Rest Ihres Lebens daran festhalten. つまり、私は子供の頃から実際に書くことを練習していませんでした。書くことを学ぶと、あなたはあなたの手のスタイルを手に入れ、それがあなたの人生の残りの間あなたが立ち往生しているようなものだと思います。 Quer dizer, não pratico a escrita desde que era criança; e aprender a escrever e então, você sabe, você pega o estilo de sua mão e pensa que isso é o que você está preso para o resto da sua vida. 我的意思是,我从小就没有真正练习过写作。学习写作,然后,你知道,你得到了你的手风格,你认为这就是你余生所坚持的东西。

[laughs]

BJ: And part of it is changing; changing like what your style is. BJ:そしてその一部は変化しています。あなたのスタイルが何であるかのように変化します。 BJ: E parte disso está mudando; mudando como o seu estilo é. You know, because my normal style doesn't work very well on a whiteboard so I have, sort of…it's almost like having, well, in some ways, speaking a different language because you shift into a different gear. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||changer||||vitesse Weißt du, weil mein normaler Stil auf einem Whiteboard nicht sehr gut funktioniert, habe ich, irgendwie … es ist fast so, als würde man in gewisser Weise eine andere Sprache sprechen, weil man in einen anderen Gang schaltet. 私の通常のスタイルはホワイトボードではうまく機能しないので、ある種の…それは、ある意味で、別のギアにシフトするために別の言語を話すようなものです。 Você sabe, porque meu estilo normal não funciona muito bem em um quadro branco, então eu tenho, mais ou menos ... é quase como ter, bem, de certa forma, falando um idioma diferente porque você muda para uma marcha diferente. So, I speak Spanish and French, and I know when I speak those languages, I go into a different gear. |||||||||||||||||||mode ですから、私はスペイン語とフランス語を話します、そして私がそれらの言語を話すとき、私は別のギアに入るのを知っています。 Portanto, falo espanhol e francês e sei que quando falo esses idiomas, entro em uma marcha diferente. It's just different. É apenas diferente. And when I'm writing on a whiteboard, it's not like I'm writing in a notebook. E quando estou escrevendo em um quadro branco, não é como se estivesse escrevendo em um caderno. It's just…I'm drawing in a different– different movements and different ways of thinking, well, about the letters and the spacing of the letters. ||||||||||||||||||||espacement||| 只是……我画的是不同的——不同的动作和不同的思维方式,嗯,关于字母和字母的间距。 And on the whiteboard, I'm trying to get things very straight, up and down just like you might try to get an accent, like, you know, an accent right and you're really focusing. Und auf dem Whiteboard versuche ich, die Dinge sehr gerade zu machen, auf und ab, so wie Sie vielleicht versuchen, einen Akzent zu setzen, wie Sie wissen, einen richtigen Akzent, und Sie konzentrieren sich wirklich. ホワイトボードでは、アクセントを正しく取得しようとしているのと同じように、物事を上下左右に非常にまっすぐにしようとしています。 E no quadro branco, estou tentando deixar as coisas bem claras, para cima e para baixo, assim como você pode tentar obter um sotaque, tipo, você sabe, um sotaque certo e você está realmente se concentrando. I think there's probably a lot in common about learning languages and practicing other skills. 言語を学ぶことと他のスキルを練習することについては、おそらく多くの共通点があると思います。 Acho que provavelmente há muito em comum sobre aprender línguas e praticar outras habilidades.

Lori: There really is. Lori: Realmente existe. I notice when I hear people talking about health and fitness, you could almost substitute…you know, just substitute some of the nouns and verbs and it would all…like the principles are all– all the same or often quite the same. Ich merke, wenn ich Leute über Gesundheit und Fitness sprechen höre, könnte man fast ersetzen … Sie wissen schon, ersetzen Sie einfach einige der Substantive und Verben und es wäre alles … als ob die Prinzipien alle gleich oder oft ziemlich gleich wären. 人々が健康とフィットネスについて話しているのを聞くと、ほとんど代用できます…ご存知のように、名詞と動詞の一部を代用するだけで、すべて…原則がすべて同じか、多くの場合まったく同じになります。 Percebo que quando ouço pessoas falando sobre saúde e preparo físico, você quase poderia substituir ... você sabe, apenas substituir alguns dos substantivos e verbos e tudo seria ... como se os princípios fossem todos - todos iguais ou quase sempre iguais.

Yeah, time is almost up. Ja, die Zeit ist fast um. Sim, o tempo está quase acabando. I only have one final thing I would like to ask you and…

BJ: Okay.

Lori: …that is — sometimes I notice when I'm working with learners, they tend to beat themselves up when they feel like they're not motivated or they're not able to do hard things and I want…you know, ever since I saw or learned about the motivation wave, I thought, “Oh, that's one thing I really want people to know, that it's normal that your motivation is going to fluctuate.” And could you just confirm that for me? [laughs] Lori: … das heißt – manchmal bemerke ich, wenn ich mit Lernenden arbeite, dass sie dazu neigen, sich selbst zu verprügeln, wenn sie das Gefühl haben, dass sie nicht motiviert sind oder schwierige Dinge nicht tun können, und ich möchte … Sie wissen schon, immer Seit ich die Motivationswelle gesehen oder davon erfahren habe, dachte ich: „Oh, das ist eine Sache, die ich wirklich möchte, dass die Leute wissen, dass es normal ist, dass deine Motivation schwankt.“ Und könntest du mir das nur bestätigen? [lacht] ロリ:…つまり、私が学習者と一緒に仕事をしているときに、やる気がない、または難しいことをすることができないと感じたときに、彼らは自分自身を打ち負かす傾向があることに気付くことがあります。モチベーションの波を見たり学んだりして、「ああ、それは本当に人々に知ってもらいたいことのひとつだ。あなたのモチベーションが変動するのは普通だ」と思った。そして、あなたは私のためにそれを確認できますか? [笑い] Lori: ... isto é - às vezes eu percebo que quando estou trabalhando com alunos, eles tendem a se punir quando sentem que não estão motivados ou que não são capazes de fazer coisas difíceis e eu quero ... você sabe, sempre desde que vi ou aprendi sobre a onda de motivação, pensei: "Oh, isso é uma coisa que eu realmente quero que as pessoas saibam, que é normal que sua motivação flutue." E você poderia apenas confirmar isso para mim? [risos]

BJ: Yeah, you know, there are times…there might be a day when all I do is write one word with my marker. BJ:ええ、あなたが知っている、時々…私がするすべてが私のマーカーで一言を書くことである日があるかもしれません。 BJ: Sim, você sabe, há momentos ... pode haver um dia em que tudo que eu faço é escrever uma palavra com meu marcador. But that's okay because I'm still keeping the practice alive. しかし、私はまだ練習を続けているので、それは大丈夫です。 Mas tudo bem porque ainda estou mantendo a prática viva. So I think about it, I learned this a long time ago as a student…is I'm working on a very big paper that really is intimidating and it's hard that I worked on it every day — I write at least one sentence. ||||||||||||||||||||||||||intimidant|||||||||||||||| Also denke ich darüber nach, ich habe das vor langer Zeit als Student gelernt … ob ich an einer sehr großen Arbeit arbeite, die wirklich einschüchternd ist, und es ist hart, dass ich jeden Tag daran arbeite – ich schreibe mindestens einen Satz. ですから、私はずっと前に学生としてこれを学びました…私は本当に恐ろしい非常に大きな紙に取り組んでいて、毎日それに取り組むのは難しいです—私は少なくとも1つの文を書きます。 Então eu penso sobre isso, eu aprendi isso há muito tempo como estudante ... estou trabalhando em um artigo muito grande que realmente é intimidante e é difícil trabalhar nele todos os dias - escrevo pelo menos uma frase. And I…the next day I can go back and erase the sentence if I want to. ||||||||||effacer|||||| そして、私は…翌日、必要に応じて戻って文を消去することができます。 E eu ... no dia seguinte, posso voltar e apagar a frase se quiser. But I always write at least one sentence. And if that's all I get done, it's like, “Great! I did my sentence for the day.” And what happens is a lot like what we talked about, I write a sentence like, “Oh! そして、それが私が成し遂げるすべてであるならば、それは「素晴らしい!私はその日の判決を下しました。」そして、何が起こるかは、私たちが話したこととよく似ています。私は次のような文を書きます。 E se isso é tudo que eu faço, é como, “Ótimo! Eu cumpri minha sentença do dia. ” E o que acontece é muito parecido com o que falamos, eu escrevo uma frase como: “Oh! 如果这就是我所做的一切,就像,“太好了!我完成了当天的判决。”发生的事情很像我们所说的,我写了一个句子,“哦! I might as well write the next one…Oh! 次のものを書いたほうがいい…ああ! Eu poderia muito bem escrever o próximo ... Oh! The next one…the next one.” Now later, you've got all of the paper done. 次のもの…次のもの。」後で、すべての紙が完成しました。 O próximo ... o próximo. ” Agora, mais tarde, você tem todo o papel feito. But the key is, you cannot — on those days when you're stressed or busy with other things or just somehow not motivated to do that behavior, just do a little, tiny bit and congratulate yourself for doing that little, tiny bit and move on. しかし、重要なのは、できないことです。ストレスを感じたり、他のことに忙しいときや、どういうわけかその行動をやる気がないときは、少しだけやって、少しだけやってくれたことを祝福してください。の上。 Mas a chave é: você não pode - nos dias em que você está estressado ou ocupado com outras coisas ou simplesmente não motivado para fazer esse comportamento, apenas faça um pouquinho e se parabenize por fazer aquele pouquinho e se mexer em.

Lori: Right, right. Oh, that is– that is such great advice. Oh, isso é– esse é um conselho tão bom.

BJ: As long as you keep taking those small steps, you'll get there. BJ: Contanto que você continue dando esses pequenos passos, você vai chegar lá. Once you stop taking the steps, you don't only just stop, you slide backwards. ||||||||||||glisse| Sobald Sie aufhören, die Schritte zu gehen, bleiben Sie nicht nur stehen, sondern rutschen rückwärts. ステップの実行を停止すると、停止するだけでなく、後方にスライドします。 Depois de parar de dar os passos, você não apenas para, mas desliza para trás. 一旦你停止采取这些步骤,你不仅会停下来,还会向后滑动。 There's no way to stay still. You're either moving forward or you're sliding backward. ||||||||||||deslizando| じっとしている方法はありません。前方に移動しているか、後方にスライドしています。 Não há como ficar parado. Você está avançando ou deslizando para trás. Lori: Right, exactly. Well, BJ, thank you so much. And I know you've got another interview scheduled in the next minute but I just really…I'm so, so, so happy that you– that you took.. and wanted to take the time and let me… |||||||||||||prévue||||||||||||||||||||||||||| さて、BJ、どうもありがとうございました。そして、次の分に別の面接が予定されていることは知っていますが、私は本当に…とても嬉しいので、あなたが取ったのはとても幸せです。 Bem, BJ, muito obrigado. E eu sei que você tem outra entrevista agendada para o próximo minuto, mas eu realmente ... Estou tão, tão, tão feliz que você - que você tirou .. e queria dedicar um tempo e me deixar ... BJ: Well…

Lori: …pick your brain a little bit. Lori: … pflücke dein Gehirn ein bisschen. Lori: ... pegue seu cérebro um pouco. Lori:……稍微挑选一下你的大脑。

BJ: Well, you are welcome. And helping people learn languages is really important work. BJ:どういたしまして。そして人々が言語を学ぶのを助けることは本当に重要な仕事です。 BJ: Bem, de nada. E ajudar as pessoas a aprender idiomas é um trabalho realmente importante. I mean, when you learn a language, you're able to connect with people you wouldn't otherwise, you're able to do things you couldn't otherwise, travel, experience — it just opens up a different world. Ich meine, wenn Sie eine Sprache lernen, können Sie sich mit Menschen verbinden, die Sie sonst nicht hätten, Sie können Dinge tun, die Sie sonst nicht tun könnten, reisen, erleben – es öffnet sich einfach eine andere Welt. つまり、あなたが言語を学ぶとき、あなたは他の方法ではできない人々とつながることができ、あなたは他の方法ではできないこと、旅行、経験をすることができます-それはただ別の世界を開きます。 Quero dizer, quando você aprende um idioma, você é capaz de se conectar com pessoas que não faria de outra forma, você é capaz de fazer coisas que não poderia de outra forma, viajar, experimentar - isso apenas abre um mundo diferente. And so I think it's a wonderful thing to be helping people do. ですから、人々を助けることは素晴らしいことだと思います。 E então eu acho uma coisa maravilhosa ajudar as pessoas a fazer.

Lori: Yeah. Oh, thank you so much.

That brings us to the end of this two part conversation with Dr. BJ Fogg. I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as I did recording it! 私が録音したのと同じくらい楽しんで聴いていただければ幸いです。 Espero que tenham gostado de ouvi-lo tanto quanto eu gostei de gravá-lo!

You've learned about the motivation wave, that it's totally normal for motivation to go up and down over time. Você aprendeu sobre a onda de motivação, que é totalmente normal que a motivação suba e desça com o tempo. You've also learned that when motivation is low, we can only do easy things. When motivation is high, that's when we can do hard things. To find out more, I encourage you to watch the video of BJ's talk that I've linked to in the transcript.

To get the most English learning benefit from this conversation, make sure to download the transcript for this episode so you can read along to check your understanding. Para obter o máximo de benefícios do aprendizado de inglês com esta conversa, certifique-se de baixar a transcrição deste episódio para que você possa ler e verificar sua compreensão. The transcript also has notes about the language we use in the conversation, including vocabulary explanations and example sentences. トランスクリプトには、語彙の説明や例文など、会話で使用する言語に関するメモも含まれています。 You can find the transcript at betteratenglish.com/transcripts. トランスクリプトはbetteratenglish.com/transcriptsで見つけることができます。

Until next time, have fun practicing your English! Até a próxima vez, divirta-se praticando seu inglês! If you have questions or suggestions about what you would like to hear in these podcasts, I'd love to hear them. これらのポッドキャストで聞きたいことについて質問や提案があれば、ぜひ聞いてみてください。 You can find all the ways to get in touch with me at Betteratenglish.com/contact. Você pode encontrar todas as maneiras de entrar em contato comigo em Betteratenglish.com/contact. Bye for now!