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Pojačalo, Podcast EP063: Stefan Lalić (1)

Podcast EP063: Stefan Lalić (1)

U ovonedeljnoj epizodi Pojačalo podkasta gost Ivana Minića je Stefan Lalić jedan od osnivača poslastičarnice zdravih slatkiša “Ćao Šećeru”. Tokom razgovora saznaćemo šta je bilo presudno da jedan perspektivni sportista postane pisac, zašto rad u marektinškim agencijama nije za svakog ko voli da piše, i kako je njegova ljubav prema kulinarstvu i dobroj hrani uticala na to da se posveti proizvodnji zdravih kolača i torti. Saznaćemo i to koji su prvi koraci kada je u pitanju otvaranje radnje koja se bavi proizvodnjom hrane, zašto ne treba da vas bude sramota da potražite savet, koji su izazovi kada je u pitanju zapošljavanje, obuka i zadržavanje radnika, kako ugostiteljstvo može da bude i biznis sreće i zašto je važno imati jasnu viziju i strategiju daljeg razvoja svoje firme.

Stefan Lalić jedan je od osnivača i suvlasnika prve poslastičarnice zdravih slatkiša „Ćao Šećeru“. Iako je od malih nogu bio u svetu sporta, sa dvadeset godina odlučuje da potpuno promeni karijeru i posvećuje se pisanju. Ubrzo objavljuje prvu zbirku pesama, a potom i prvi roman „Reformator“, koji je nominovan za uglednu NINovu nagradu 2014. godine. Pisanje ga dalje vodi u vode marketinga, te radi kao copywriter u vodećim beogradskim marketinškim agencijama.

Kao veliki ljubitelj kulinarstva, a iz želje da uskladi svoju ljubav prema slatkišima sa načelima zdrave ishrane, sa devojkom Jelenom Bastajić počinje da eksperimentiše i pravi prve zdrave slatke kuglice. Ovo je početak brenda „Ćao Šećeru“ koji je od kućne manufakture za samo četiri godine prerastao u prvu poslastičarnicu zdravih slatkiša na našim prostorima.

Vremenom napušta posao u marketingu i posvećuje se vođenju firme. U plan mu je da se u narednom periodu posveti savetovanju i edukovanju svih onih koji i sami žele da započnu posao u ugostiteljstvu.

Ističe i da je njihov biznis sreće, a ne biznis slatkiša, ali da upravo kroz slatkiše omogućuju ljudima da osete sreću.

Transkript razgovora: Ivan Minić: Realizaciju ovog podkasta pomogla je Infostud grupa. Poštovani slušaoci i gledaoci Pojačalo podkasta, dobro došli u 63. epizodu. Nisam verovao da ćemo doživeti ni 60., ali evo je 63. epizoda. Ja sam vaš domaćin Ivan Minić, a moj današnji gost je Stefan Lalić. Vrlo je bitno kada tako neko s vremena na vreme dođe u goste ko je… ja to volim tako da pričam, a ljudi koji se druže intenzivno sa mnom znaju da volim da kažem “moje dete”. Nisi ti baš moje dete, ali ja se sećam kad si ti bio jedno dete, onako pristojno koje je radilo kod jednih mojih drugara. I kada sam pitao ko je dečko, rekli su mi da je dečko bivši fudbaler a sad je pisac. Na moje pitanje što radi kod njih, odgovorili su mi – “Eto, hteo je da proba”. Ti što hoće da probaju, s vremena na vreme dođu do nekih vrlo, vrlo zanimljivih stvari na kraju. Stefane, dobro došao!

Stefan Lalić: Hvala, Ivane! Bolje vas našao!

Ivan Minić: Jedna od stvari koje si ti tako hteo da probaš, a još nisi došao u fazu da se pokaješ po to pitanju, je da sa devojkom napraviš brend zdravih slatkiša koji se zove “Ćao, šećeru!” i koji svi koji su videli mogu da prepoznaju tvoju devojku, pa onda kada vas sretnu kažu – “Ti si ona sa kutije”. Ja kada sam bio mali na bombonjerama su uglavnom išle uglavnom stvari kao Maša i Meda, i to je bilo OK. Ovo je dosta lepša varijanta. OK, rekli smo da si ti deo te priče i da si zajedno sa njom to pokrenuo, i to je vrlo hrabar potez koji ste napravili, ali ja uvek volim kad krećemo priču da se vratimo na neke početke, odnosno da se vratimo na to šta je prethodilo svemu tome. Jer, kao kad dođeš kod lekara, a ovo su vrlo slične te situacije, i kažeš – “Mene sad boli grlo”, a on te pita šta je prethodilo svemu tome, i onda se ispostavi da u detinjstvu si skapirao nešto do sada nisi.

Stefan Lalić: Ili da je neko jeo sladoled sa šećerom koji je bio hladan.

Ivan Minić: Šta je bio Stefan kad je hteo da poraste? Mislim, u šta je Stefan hteo da poraste kad je bio mali?

Stefan Lalić: Stefan je hteo da poraste u fudbalera. S obzirom da sam, kao što smo pričali malopre, iz sportske porodice, gde mi je čak i deda bio fudbaler, i otac je bio fudbaler, nekako je taj fudbal, odnosno sport za mene i burazera bila neka normalna stvar ka kojoj smo krenuli kao i 90% druge dece u kraju. Tako da, Stefan se nije uhvatio za knjigu do 18 godine, a pro po te priče o pisanju. Dakle, duž celog mog odrastanja, jedina stvar koja je mene interesovala bila je sport i fudbal.

Ivan Minić: Jedna od stvari koje smo više puta pomenuli, a ja stalno volim da je pominjem pošto postoji ta patološka opsednutost s moje strane sportom, je da vrlo je primetno da ljudi koji su se kroz odrastanje, formiranje ili kroz kasnije godine ozbiljno bavili sportom, dosta dobro prolaze u preduzetništvu, jer prosto stekli su neke navike, a mi ovde ne stičemo navike ako ne moramo. Barem ne one dobre. Stekli su neke navike, naučili su da je poraz sastavni deo puta ka nečem velikom, naučili su svaki dan radiš, radiš, radiš, radiš i ne vidiš nikakvu razliku ali za godinu dana razlika je ogroman. Šta je tebe naučio sport?

Stefan Lalić: Super si to primetio. Nikada nisam razmišljao o tome za poraz što si rekao. Da, definitivno, jedna od stvari koju te sport uči je upravo to. Poraz može da bude i povreda, ne mora da bude fizički poraz, ili neki pripremni period koji je mnogo težak i traži neku fizičku spremnost, ali mislim da je ovaj drugi deo mnogo važniji, pogotovo ako ćemo da pravimo paralelu sa preduzetništvom, a to je da (vratiću se posle na priču o pisanju, pošto ima veze baš sa tom vizijom), ti kao sportista, znaš i sam trenirao si, ti se budiš sa nekom idejom, a ne ponašaš se kao – sad ću izguram narednih šest meseci da radim nešto, zaradiću pare i otići na more. Ne, nego ti maštaš kako ćeš jednog dana negde stići u neku Barselonu ili ne znam ni ja gde, i ako imaš možda 13 godina i znaš da će to biti možda za nekih 10 godina, ti si spreman, ne samo sprema i srećan si da imaš priliku da se žrtvuješ i radiš to što voliš toliko konstantno. Tako da je to neka, ne mogu da kažem vizija, više neki trud, neko žrtvovanje,…

Ivan Minić: Neke radne navike.

Stefan Lalić: Da, neke radne navike koje sam siguran da ljudi koji su u sportu imaju dosta izraženije nego ljudi koji se sportom ne bave.

Ivan Minić: Vrlo često kada se analiziraju karijere, čak u raznim situacijama taj talenat dođe kao prepreka na putu ka uspehu, jer osoba koja je ekstremno talentovana, često vrlo lako dolazi do nekih stvari do kojih drugi moraju da rade, pa kada naleti na nešto gde talenat više ne može da pomogne, sklona je tome da odustane; dok onaj koji je radio za svaki stepenik možda nikada neće dostići taj vrhunac koji može osoba koja je ekstremno talentovana, ali će dostići svoj maksimum, a to je negde ono čemu svi treba da težimo.

Stefan Lalić: Definitivno. Mislim, znaš i sam koliko puta se desilo da je neki igrač proteran iz nekog kluba, da bi posle pet godina napravio vrhunsku karijeru, Tako da, kao i u poslu, talenat je strava ako ga imaš, ali nije ništa strašno ako ga nemaš, pogotovo u stvarima u kojima kreativnost nije neka ključna osobina.

Ivan Minić: Kako je došlo do toga da te zainteresuje pisanje?

Stefan Lalić: Heh, da li da ispričam pravu priču?

Ivan Minić: Slobodno.

Stefan Lalić: Ništa. Šetao sam Bulevarom kralja Aleksandra, prestao sam da igram fudbal. I to sad možeš da razumeš kao nešto što si radio 15 godina, i sad se završilo, i ti sada ideš ulicom i razmišljaš – nemam pojma čemu težim, šta je to šta ja želim da uradim u životu, čime ću ja da se bavim, šta je to što mene interesuje? Nije više ni taj neki cilj da ti radiš nešto u šta veruješ i da znaš da se svakog dana pokrećeš više tome. I šta je mene zanimalo, šta mene zanima pored fudbala, bilo je kulinarstvo, mada se nikada time nisam bavio konkretno kulinarstvom, ali mi je bila zabavna i psihologija, iako sam se sa njom susretao samo u školi i to mršavo. I odlučim da kupim knjigu neku iz psihologije, da sad vidim šta tamo ima za mene. Ništa, otišao sam u knjižaru, kupio knjigu, pročitao je i shvatio da se to što mene interesuje zove filozofija a ne psihologija, i krenuo da čitam, a posle nekog vremena krenuo i da pišem i tako je krenuo taj neki moj, ne mogu da kažem književni put, ali eto pisanje kod mene

Ivan Minić: Traženje neke svrhe.

Stefan Lalić: Ili traženje prilike za doprinos. Mislim da je to dosta važna tema.

Ivan Minić: Jedna stvar je da se ti upoznaš sa nekim pojmovima, da se upoznaš sa onim što stoji iza toga, da formiraš neki korpus znanja u svojoj glavi i sistem u okviru koga svako to znanje ima neko svoje logično mesto, a potpuno je druga stvar je da uzmeš olovku, pisaću mašinu ili tastaturu i kreneš nešto da pišeš. Ja, recimo, jako dugo pišem, ali se još nisam odvažio da sednem i napišem knjigu iz razloga što nisu moje želje kratkog daha, ja samo nekako još uvek ne mogu da vidim tu veliku poentu koju hoću da ispričam kroz mnogo malih. Za sad mi je OK da pričam male, pa ću jednog dana uobličiti. Bio mi je Laza Džamić.

Kako je fudbaler postao pisac

Stefan Lalić: Gledao sam. 🙂 Ivan Minić: Laza je ispričao svoj pristup svemu tome i taj pristup mi se veoma dopada, jer je to jedan onako inženjerski pristup koji ja mogu da razumem . Kako je to u tvom slučaju bilo ? Mislim, prvo – zašto i kako si krenuo, a zatim kako izgleda taj ceo proces, jer proces je, verujem, jako komplikovan ? Stefan Lalić: Jeste, da . Mislim da proces dosta više zavisi od tipa knjige ili možda pisca, ne znam . Kako je krenulo… u našem društvu su neke te filozofske teme bile u fokusu, i tako sam s kumom pričao nešto, razmišljao o tim nekim temama, došao kući i napisao poeziju, što mi se nikad nije desilo do tada . Tako je došlo i to pisanje . Kasnije se to normalno razvijalo, pa sam prvo objavio knjigu poezije . Međutim, oduvek me je interesovalo to, kao što si rekao, kakav je to proces nastajanja romana, pored preduzetništva za koje sam znaš koliko je teško, pogotovo ugostiteljstvo . Teško je na drugačiji način . Mislim da je napisati roman mnogo, mnogo teško, verovatno najteže što sam ikad uradio . Nakon što sam napisao, odnosno objavio tu knjigu, bacio sam se na roman . Iako sam ga napisao i objavio sa 23 godine, to je bio moj sedmi pokušaj da napišem roman . Nisam odustao, bio sam istrajan . To nije najbolja knjiga na svetu, daleko od toga, ali s obzirom na moje godine i moje mršavo iskustvo, mislim da je sasvim u redu . Tako je to što se toga tiče . Što se tiče procesa, ja sam tu knjigu napisao za sedam dana . Sedeo sam kod kuće od ujutro do uveče, nisam imao koncept, nisam imao strategiju ili šta god . Imao sam neku ideju za neku priču . Sad neću da spojlujem, ali bilo je dosta smešno, da kažem zanimljivo . Bio sam na Sajmu knjiga, nešto se tad politički dešavalo u zemlji, ja sam pitao mog izdavača – “Da li biste vi objavili knjigu ako ubijem sve političare u zemlji?”, ona me je pitala: “U Srbiji?”, ja sam joj odgovorio: “Ne, ne ovako, ja ću da izmislim zemlju ali ima će veze sa nekom tom poukom” . I onda kaže: “Da.”, i ja sam rekao “Dobro”, otišao kući i napisao knjigu.

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U ovonedeljnoj epizodi Pojačalo podkasta gost Ivana Minića je Stefan Lalić jedan od osnivača poslastičarnice zdravih slatkiša “Ćao Šećeru”. In|this week's|episode|Pojačalo|podcast|guest|Ivana|Minić|is|Stefan|Lalić|one|of|founders|pastry shop|healthy|sweets|Hello|Sugar In this week's episode of the Pojačalo podcast, Ivana Minić's guest is Stefan Lalić, one of the founders of the healthy sweets shop "Hello Sugar". Tokom razgovora saznaćemo šta je bilo presudno da jedan perspektivni sportista postane pisac, zašto rad u marektinškim agencijama nije za svakog ko voli da piše, i kako je njegova ljubav prema kulinarstvu i dobroj hrani uticala na to da se posveti proizvodnji zdravih kolača i torti. During|conversation|we will find out|what|was|crucial|decisive|for|one|promising|athlete|becomes|writer|why|work|in|marketing|agencies|is not|for|everyone|who|loves|to|write|and|how|was|his|love|for|cooking|and|good|food|influenced|on|that|to|himself|dedicate|production|healthy|cakes|and|pies During the conversation, we will learn what was crucial for a promising athlete to become a writer, why working in marketing agencies is not for everyone who loves to write, and how his love for culinary arts and good food influenced him to dedicate himself to the production of healthy cakes and pastries. Saznaćemo i to koji su prvi koraci kada je u pitanju otvaranje radnje koja se bavi proizvodnjom hrane, zašto ne treba da vas bude sramota da potražite savet, koji su izazovi kada je u pitanju zapošljavanje, obuka i zadržavanje radnika, kako ugostiteljstvo može da bude i biznis sreće i zašto je važno imati jasnu viziju i strategiju daljeg razvoja svoje firme. We will find out|and|that|what|are|first|steps|when|it|in|question|opening|store|that|is|engaged|production|food|why|not|should|to|you|be|ashamed|to|seek|advice|what|are|challenges|when|it|in|question|employment|training|and|retention|workers|how|hospitality|can|to|be|and|business|happiness|and|why|is|important|to have|clear|vision|and|strategy|further|development|your|company We will also find out what the first steps are when it comes to opening a store that deals with food production, why you should not be ashamed to seek advice, what challenges arise regarding hiring, training, and retaining employees, how hospitality can also be a business of happiness, and why it is important to have a clear vision and strategy for the further development of your company.

Stefan Lalić jedan je od osnivača i suvlasnika prve poslastičarnice zdravih slatkiša „Ćao Šećeru“. Stefan|Lalić|one|is|of|founders|and|co-owners|first|pastry shop|healthy|sweets|Hello|Sugar Stefan Lalić is one of the founders and co-owners of the first healthy sweets shop "Hello Sugar". Iako je od malih nogu bio u svetu sporta, sa dvadeset godina odlučuje da potpuno promeni karijeru i posvećuje se pisanju. Although|he|from|small|age|was|in|world|of sports|at|twenty|years|decides|to|completely|change|career|and|dedicates|himself|to writing Although he was in the world of sports from a young age, at the age of twenty he decides to completely change his career and dedicates himself to writing. Ubrzo objavljuje prvu zbirku pesama, a potom i prvi roman „Reformator“, koji je nominovan za uglednu NINovu nagradu 2014. godine. Soon|publishes|first|collection|of poems|and|then|and|first|novel|The Reformer|which|is|nominated|for|prestigious|NIN's|award|year He soon publishes his first collection of poems, and then his first novel "Reformer", which was nominated for the prestigious NIN award in 2014. Pisanje ga dalje vodi u vode marketinga, te radi kao copywriter u vodećim beogradskim marketinškim agencijama. Writing|him|further|leads|into|waters|marketing|and|works|as|copywriter|in|leading|Belgrade|marketing|agencies Writing further leads him into the field of marketing, where he works as a copywriter in leading marketing agencies in Belgrade.

Kao veliki ljubitelj kulinarstva, a iz želje da uskladi svoju ljubav prema slatkišima sa načelima zdrave ishrane, sa devojkom Jelenom Bastajić počinje da eksperimentiše i pravi prve zdrave slatke kuglice. As|big|lover|of cooking|and|from|desire|to|harmonize|his|love|towards|sweets|with|principles|healthy|eating|with|girlfriend|Jelena|Bastajić|he starts|to||and|makes|first|healthy|sweet|balls As a great lover of cooking, and out of a desire to reconcile his love for sweets with the principles of healthy eating, he begins to experiment with his girlfriend Jelena Bastajić and makes the first healthy sweet balls. Ovo je početak brenda „Ćao Šećeru“ koji je od kućne manufakture za samo četiri godine prerastao u prvu poslastičarnicu zdravih slatkiša na našim prostorima. This|is|beginning|brand|Hello|Sugar|which|is|from|home|manufacturer|for|only|four|years|grew|into|first|pastry shop|healthy|sweets|in|our|areas This is the beginning of the brand "Hello Sugar" which has grown from a home workshop into the first pastry shop of healthy sweets in our region in just four years.

Vremenom napušta posao u marketingu i posvećuje se vođenju firme. Over time|he leaves|job|in|marketing|and|he dedicates|himself|to running|the company Over time, he leaves his job in marketing and dedicates himself to running the company. U plan mu je da se u narednom periodu posveti savetovanju i edukovanju svih onih koji i sami žele da započnu posao u ugostiteljstvu. In|plan|his|is|to|himself|in|next|period|dedicates|consulting|and|educating|all|those|who|and|themselves|want|to|start|business|in|hospitality His plan is to focus on consulting and educating all those who want to start a business in hospitality.

Ističe i da je njihov biznis sreće, a ne biznis slatkiša, ali da upravo kroz slatkiše omogućuju ljudima da osete sreću. He emphasizes|and|that|is|their|business|happiness|but|not|business|sweets|but|that|precisely|through|sweets|they enable|people|to|feel|happiness He emphasizes that their business is about happiness, not sweets, but that through sweets they allow people to feel happiness.

Transkript razgovora: Ivan Minić: Realizaciju ovog podkasta pomogla je Infostud grupa. Transcript|conversation|Ivan|Minić|The realization|this|podcast|helped|(is)|Infostud|group Transcript of the conversation: Ivan Minić: The realization of this podcast was supported by the Infostud group. Poštovani slušaoci i gledaoci Pojačalo podkasta, dobro došli u 63. epizodu. Dear|listeners|and|viewers|Amplifier|podcast|well|welcome|to|episode Dear listeners and viewers of the Pojačalo podcast, welcome to episode 63. Nisam verovao da ćemo doživeti ni 60., ali evo je 63. epizoda. I did not|believe|that|we will|experience|even|but|here|is|episode I didn't believe we would reach even 60, but here is episode 63. Ja sam vaš domaćin Ivan Minić, a moj današnji gost je Stefan Lalić. I|am|your|host|Ivan|Minić|and|my|today's|guest|is|Stefan|Lalić I am your host Ivan Minić, and my guest today is Stefan Lalić. Vrlo je bitno kada tako neko s vremena na vreme dođe u goste ko je… ja to volim tako da pričam, a ljudi koji se druže intenzivno sa mnom znaju da volim da kažem “moje dete”. Very|is|important|when|like that|someone|from|time|on|time|comes|in|visit|who|is|I|it|love|like that|to|talk|and|people|who|themselves|socialize|intensely|with|me|know|that|I love|to|say|my|child It's very important when someone like that comes to visit from time to time... I like to talk like that, and people who spend a lot of time with me know that I like to say 'my child'. Nisi ti baš moje dete, ali ja se sećam kad si ti bio jedno dete, onako pristojno koje je radilo kod jednih mojih drugara. You are not|you|really|my|child|but|I|reflexive pronoun|remember|when|you|you|were|one|child|like that|polite|who|was|worked|at|some|my|friends You're not really my child, but I remember when you were a child, a decent one who worked for some of my friends. I kada sam pitao ko je dečko, rekli su mi da je dečko bivši fudbaler a sad je pisac. I|when|I|asked|who|is|boyfriend|they told|are|me|that|is|boyfriend|former|football player|and|now|is|writer And when I asked who the guy was, they told me he was a former football player and now a writer. Na moje pitanje što radi kod njih, odgovorili su mi – “Eto, hteo je da proba”. To|my|question|what|does|at|their|they answered|(past tense auxiliary verb)|to me|Here|he wanted|(past tense auxiliary verb)|to|try When I asked them what he was doing there, they replied – "Well, he wanted to try." Ti što hoće da probaju, s vremena na vreme dođu do nekih vrlo, vrlo zanimljivih stvari na kraju. You|who|wants|to|try|from|time|on|time|come|to|some|very||interesting|things|at| Those who want to try occasionally come across some very, very interesting things in the end. Stefane, dobro došao! Stefan|well|welcome Stefan, welcome!

Stefan Lalić: Hvala, Ivane! ||Thank you|Ivan Stefan Lalić: Thank you, Ivan! Bolje vas našao! Better|you|found Nice to see you!

Ivan Minić: Jedna od stvari koje si ti tako hteo da probaš, a još nisi došao u fazu da se pokaješ po to pitanju, je da sa devojkom napraviš brend zdravih slatkiša koji se zove “Ćao, šećeru!” i koji svi koji su videli mogu da prepoznaju tvoju devojku, pa onda kada vas sretnu kažu – “Ti si ona sa kutije”. Ivan|Minić|One|of|things|that|you|you|so|wanted|to|try|but|yet|you haven't|come|to|phase|to|yourself|regret|for|that|question|is|to|with|girlfriend|create|brand|healthy|sweets|that|(reflexive pronoun)|is called|Hi|sugar|and|that|everyone|who|are|seen|can|to|recognize|your|girlfriend|so|then|when|you|meet|they say|You|are|her|from|the box Ivan Minić: One of the things you really wanted to try, but haven't reached the point of regretting it yet, is to create a brand of healthy sweets with your girlfriend called “Hello, Sugar!” that everyone who has seen it can recognize your girlfriend, and then when they meet you they say – “You are the one from the box.” Ja kada sam bio mali na bombonjerama su uglavnom išle uglavnom stvari kao Maša i Meda, i to je bilo OK. I|when|was|little|child|on|candy boxes|were|mostly||||||and|||that|was|OK|OK When I was a kid, candy boxes mostly featured things like Masha and the Bear, and that was OK. Ovo je dosta lepša varijanta. This|is|quite|more beautiful|variant This is a much nicer variant. OK, rekli smo da si ti deo te priče i da si zajedno sa njom to pokrenuo, i to je vrlo hrabar potez koji ste napravili, ali ja uvek volim kad krećemo priču da se vratimo na neke početke, odnosno da se vratimo na to šta je prethodilo svemu tome. OK|we said|are|that|you|you|part|that|story|and|that|you|together|with|her|it|started|and|that|is|very|brave|move|that|you|made|but|I|always|like|when|we start|story|to|ourselves|we return|to|some|beginnings|or rather|to|ourselves|we return|to|that|what|was|preceded|everything|that OK, we said that you are part of that story and that you started it together with her, and that is a very brave move you made, but I always like when we start the story to go back to some beginnings, or rather to return to what preceded all of that. Jer, kao kad dođeš kod lekara, a ovo su vrlo slične te situacije, i kažeš – “Mene sad boli grlo”, a on te pita šta je prethodilo svemu tome, i onda se ispostavi da u detinjstvu si skapirao nešto do sada nisi. Because|like|when|you come|to|the doctor|and|this|are|very|similar|those|situations|and|you say|Me|now|hurts|throat|and|he|you|asks|what|was|preceded|everything|that|and|then|reflexive pronoun|turns out|that|in|childhood|you|realized|something|until|now|you hadn't Because, just like when you go to the doctor, and these situations are very similar, and you say – “My throat hurts now,” and he asks you what preceded all of that, and then it turns out that in childhood you realized something you hadn't until now.

Stefan Lalić: Ili da je neko jeo sladoled sa šećerom koji je bio hladan. ||Or|that|was|someone|ate|ice cream|with|sugar|which|was|cold|cold Stefan Lalić: Or that someone was eating ice cream with sugar that was cold.

Ivan Minić: Šta je bio Stefan kad je hteo da poraste? ||What|was|to be|Stefan|when|was|wanted|to|grow up Ivan Minić: What did Stefan want to be when he wanted to grow up? Mislim, u šta je Stefan hteo da poraste kad je bio mali? I think|in|what|was|Stefan|wanted|to|grow up|when|he|was|little I mean, what did Stefan want to be when he was little?

Stefan Lalić: Stefan je hteo da poraste u fudbalera. Stefan|||was|wanted|to|grow|into|soccer player Stefan Lalić: Stefan wanted to grow up to be a football player. S obzirom da sam, kao što smo pričali malopre, iz sportske porodice, gde mi je čak i deda bio fudbaler, i otac je bio fudbaler, nekako je taj fudbal, odnosno sport za mene i burazera bila neka normalna stvar ka kojoj smo krenuli kao i 90% druge dece u kraju. With|regard|that|I am|as|what|we|talked|earlier|from|sports|family|where|to me|was|even|and|grandfather|was|soccer player|and|father|was|was|soccer player|somehow|was|that|soccer|or|sport|for|me|and|my brother|was|some|normal|thing|toward||we|started||and|other|children|in|the neighborhood Considering that I come from a sports family, as we talked about earlier, where even my grandfather was a football player, and my father was a football player, somehow football, or sports, was a normal thing for me and my brother that we pursued like 90% of other kids in the neighborhood. Tako da, Stefan se nije uhvatio za knjigu do 18 godine, a pro po te priče o pisanju. So|that|Stefan|himself|did not|caught|for|book|until|years|but|regarding|by|that|story|about|writing So, Stefan didn't pick up a book until he was 18, and according to that story about writing. Dakle, duž celog mog odrastanja, jedina stvar koja je mene interesovala bila je sport i fudbal. So|throughout|all|my|upbringing|only|thing|that|was|me|interested|was||sports|and|soccer Thus, throughout my entire upbringing, the only thing that interested me was sports and football.

Ivan Minić: Jedna od stvari koje smo više puta pomenuli, a ja stalno volim da je pominjem pošto postoji ta patološka opsednutost s moje strane sportom, je da vrlo je primetno da ljudi koji su se kroz odrastanje, formiranje ili kroz kasnije godine ozbiljno bavili sportom, dosta dobro prolaze u preduzetništvu, jer prosto stekli su neke navike, a mi ovde ne stičemo navike ako ne moramo. Ivan|Minić|One|of|things|that|we|more|times|mentioned|and|I|constantly|love|to|it|mention|since|there is|that|pathological|obsession|with|my|side|sport|is|that|very|is|noticeable|that|people|who|are|themselves|through|upbringing|formation|or|through|later|years|seriously|engaged|in sports|quite|well|do|in|entrepreneurship|because|simply|acquired|they|some|habits|and|we|here|not|acquire|habits|if|not|we have to Ivan Minić: One of the things we've mentioned multiple times, and I always like to mention it since there is this pathological obsession on my part with sports, is that it is very noticeable that people who seriously engaged in sports during their upbringing, formation, or later years tend to do quite well in entrepreneurship, because they have simply developed some habits, and here we don't develop habits unless we have to. Barem ne one dobre. At least|not|those|good At least not the good ones. Stekli su neke navike, naučili su da je poraz sastavni deo puta ka nečem velikom, naučili su svaki dan radiš, radiš, radiš, radiš i ne vidiš nikakvu razliku ali za godinu dana razlika je ogroman. They acquired|(past tense verb marker)|some|habits|They learned|(past tense verb marker)|that|is|defeat|integral|part|path|towards|something|great|They learned|(past tense verb marker)|every|day|you work|you work|you work|you work|and|not|you see|any|difference|but|in|year|days|difference|is|huge They have developed some habits, learned that defeat is an integral part of the journey to something great, learned that every day you work, work, work, work and you don't see any difference but after a year the difference is huge. Šta je tebe naučio sport? What|is|you|taught|sport What has sports taught you?

Stefan Lalić: Super si to primetio. Stefan|Lalić|Great|you|that|noticed Stefan Lalić: You noticed that really well. Nikada nisam razmišljao o tome za poraz što si rekao. Never|I|thought|about|it|for|defeat|that|you|said I have never thought about that regarding the defeat you mentioned. Da, definitivno, jedna od stvari koju te sport uči je upravo to. Yes|definitely|one|of|things|that|the|sport|teaches|is|precisely|that Yes, definitely, one of the things that sports teaches you is exactly that. Poraz može da bude i povreda, ne mora da bude fizički poraz, ili neki pripremni period koji je mnogo težak i traži neku fizičku spremnost, ali mislim da je ovaj drugi deo mnogo važniji, pogotovo ako ćemo da pravimo paralelu sa preduzetništvom, a to je da (vratiću se posle na priču o pisanju, pošto ima veze baš sa tom vizijom), ti kao sportista, znaš i sam trenirao si, ti se budiš sa nekom idejom, a ne ponašaš se kao – sad ću izguram narednih šest meseci da radim nešto, zaradiću pare i otići na more. defeat|can|to|be|and|injury|not|must|to|be|physical|defeat|or|some|preparatory|period|which|is|much|hard|and|requires|some|physical|readiness|but|I think|that|is|this|second|part|much|more important|especially|if|we will|to|make|a parallel|with|entrepreneurship|and|that|is|to|I will return|reflexive pronoun|later|to|story|about|writing|since|has|connections|exactly|with|that|vision|you|as|athlete|you know|and|yourself|trained|you|you|reflexive pronoun|wake up|with|some|idea|but|not|behave|reflexive pronoun|like|now|I will|push through|next|six|months|to|work|something|I will earn|money|and|go|to|the sea Defeat can also be an injury, it doesn't have to be a physical defeat, or some preparation period that is very tough and requires some physical readiness, but I think that this second part is much more important, especially if we are going to draw a parallel with entrepreneurship, and that is that (I will return to the story about writing later, since it is related to that vision), you as an athlete, you know and you have trained yourself, you wake up with some idea, and you don't act like – now I will push through the next six months to do something, earn money and go to the sea. Ne, nego ti maštaš kako ćeš jednog dana negde stići u neku Barselonu ili ne znam ni ja gde, i ako imaš možda 13 godina i znaš da će to biti možda za nekih 10 godina, ti si spreman, ne samo sprema i srećan si da imaš priliku da se žrtvuješ i radiš to što voliš toliko konstantno. No|but|you|dream|how|will|one|day|somewhere|arrive|in|some|Barcelona|or|not|I know|neither|I|where|and|if|you have|maybe|years|and|you know|that|will|that|be|maybe|in|about|years|you|are|ready|not|only|prepared|and|happy|you are|to|have|opportunity|to|yourself|sacrifice|and|work|that|what|you love|so much|constantly No, you are imagining how one day you will arrive somewhere, in some Barcelona or I don't even know where, and if you are maybe 13 years old and you know that it might be in about 10 years, you are ready, not only prepared but also happy to have the opportunity to sacrifice yourself and do what you love so constantly. Tako da je to neka, ne mogu da kažem vizija, više neki trud, neko žrtvovanje,… So|that|is|that|some|not|I can|to|say|vision|more|some|effort|some|sacrifice So that is some, I can't say a vision, more like some effort, some sacrifice,…

Ivan Minić: Neke radne navike. Ivan|Minić|Some|work|habits Ivan Minić: Some work habits.

Stefan Lalić: Da, neke radne navike koje sam siguran da ljudi koji su u sportu imaju dosta izraženije nego ljudi koji se sportom ne bave. ||Yes|some|work|habits|that|I am|sure|that|people|who|are|in|sports|have|quite|more pronounced|than|people|who|themselves|sports|not|engage Stefan Lalić: Yes, some work habits that I am sure people who are in sports have much more pronounced than those who do not engage in sports.

Ivan Minić: Vrlo često kada se analiziraju karijere, čak u raznim situacijama taj talenat dođe kao prepreka na putu ka uspehu, jer osoba koja je ekstremno talentovana, često vrlo lako dolazi do nekih stvari do kojih drugi moraju da rade, pa kada naleti na nešto gde talenat više ne može da pomogne, sklona je tome da odustane; dok onaj koji je radio za svaki stepenik možda nikada neće dostići taj vrhunac koji može osoba koja je ekstremno talentovana, ali će dostići svoj maksimum, a to je negde ono čemu svi treba da težimo. Ivan|Minić|Very|often|when|reflexive pronoun|analyze|careers|even|in|various|situations|that||comes|as|obstacle|on|path|to|success|because|person|who|is|extremely|talented|often|very|easily|comes|to|some|things|to|which|others||to|work|so|when|encounters|on|something|where||no longer|not|can|to|help|prone|is|to|to|give up|while|one|who|is|worked|for|every|step|maybe|never|will not|reach|that|peak|that|can|person|who|is|extremely|talented|but|will|reach|their|maximum|and|that|is|somewhere|that|to what|everyone|should|to|strive Ivan Minić: Very often when careers are analyzed, even in various situations, that talent comes as an obstacle on the path to success, because a person who is extremely talented often easily achieves some things that others have to work for, and when they encounter something where talent can no longer help, they are prone to giving up; while someone who has worked for every step may never reach the peak that an extremely talented person can, but they will reach their maximum, and that is somewhere what we all should strive for.

Stefan Lalić: Definitivno. Stefan|Lalić|Definitely Stefan Lalić: Definitely. Mislim, znaš i sam koliko puta se desilo da je neki igrač proteran iz nekog kluba, da bi posle pet godina napravio vrhunsku karijeru, Tako da, kao i u poslu, talenat je strava ako ga imaš, ali nije ništa strašno ako ga nemaš, pogotovo u stvarima u kojima kreativnost nije neka ključna osobina. I think|you know|and|yourself|how many|times|reflexive particle|has happened|that|is|some|player|expelled|from|some|club|to|would|after|five|years|made|top|career|So|that|like|and|in|business|talent|is|great|if|it|you have|but|is not|anything|terrible|if|it|you don't have|especially|in|things|in|which|creativity|is not|some|key|trait I mean, you know how many times it has happened that a player was expelled from a club, only to have a great career five years later. So, just like in business, talent is great if you have it, but it's not a big deal if you don't, especially in areas where creativity is not a key trait.

Ivan Minić: Kako je došlo do toga da te zainteresuje pisanje? Ivan|Minić|How|is|came|to|that|to|you|interests|writing Ivan Minić: How did you become interested in writing?

Stefan Lalić: Heh, da li da ispričam pravu priču? ||Heh|to|question particle|to|tell|true|story Stefan Lalić: Heh, should I tell the real story?

Ivan Minić: Slobodno. Ivan|Minić|You're welcome Ivan Minić: Go ahead.

Stefan Lalić: Ništa. Stefan|Lalić|Nothing Stefan Lalić: Nothing. Šetao sam Bulevarom kralja Aleksandra, prestao sam da igram fudbal. I walked|(past tense marker)|along the Boulevard|of King|Alexander|I stopped|(past tense marker)|to|play|soccer I was walking on King Alexander Boulevard, I stopped playing football. I to sad možeš da razumeš kao nešto što si radio 15 godina, i sad se završilo, i ti sada ideš ulicom i razmišljaš – nemam pojma čemu težim, šta je to šta ja želim da uradim u životu, čime ću ja da se bavim, šta je to što mene interesuje? I|now|now|you can|to|understand|as|something|that|you|did|years|and|now|reflexive pronoun|finished|and|you|now|walk|down the street|and|think|I have no|idea|what|I strive for|what|is|that|what|I|want|to|do|in|life|what|I will||to|reflexive pronoun|engage in|what|is|that|what|me|interests And you can understand that now as something you did for 15 years, and now it's over, and you are walking down the street thinking – I have no idea what I'm striving for, what is it that I want to do in life, what will I engage in, what is it that interests me? Nije više ni taj neki cilj da ti radiš nešto u šta veruješ i da znaš da se svakog dana pokrećeš više tome. Not|anymore|even|that|some|goal|to|you|work|something|in|what|believe|and|to|know|that|yourself|every|day|move|closer|to it It's no longer even that goal of doing something you believe in and knowing that every day you are moving more towards that. I šta je mene zanimalo, šta mene zanima pored fudbala, bilo je kulinarstvo, mada se nikada time nisam bavio konkretno kulinarstvom, ali mi je bila zabavna i psihologija, iako sam se sa njom susretao samo u školi i to mršavo. And|what|is|me|interested|what|me|interests|besides|football|was|is|cooking|although|reflexive pronoun|never|it|I am not|engaged|specifically|cooking|but|to me|is|was|fun|and|psychology|although|I|reflexive pronoun|||encountered|only|in|school|and|that|poorly And what interested me, what interests me besides football, was cooking, although I never specifically engaged in cooking, but I found psychology fun, even though I only encountered it in school and that was meager. I odlučim da kupim knjigu neku iz psihologije, da sad vidim šta tamo ima za mene. I|decide|to|buy|book|some|from|psychology|to|now|see|what|there|is|for|me And I decided to buy a book on psychology, to see what it has for me. Ništa, otišao sam u knjižaru, kupio knjigu, pročitao je i shvatio da se to što mene interesuje zove filozofija a ne psihologija, i krenuo da čitam, a posle nekog vremena krenuo i da pišem i tako je krenuo taj neki moj, ne mogu da kažem književni put, ali eto pisanje kod mene Nothing|I went|(past tense marker)|to|the bookstore|I bought|a book|I read|(past tense marker)|and||to||||me|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Nothing, I went to the bookstore, bought a book, read it and realized that what interests me is called philosophy and not psychology, and I started reading, and after some time I also started writing and that's how my, I can't say literary path, but writing began for me.

Ivan Minić: Traženje neke svrhe. Ivan|Minić|Searching|some|purpose Ivan Minić: Searching for some purpose.

Stefan Lalić: Ili traženje prilike za doprinos. ||Or|searching|opportunity|for|contribution Stefan Lalić: Or searching for an opportunity to contribute. Mislim da je to dosta važna tema. I think|that|is|it|quite|important|topic I think that's a quite important topic.

Ivan Minić: Jedna stvar je da se ti upoznaš sa nekim pojmovima, da se upoznaš sa onim što stoji iza toga, da formiraš neki korpus znanja u svojoj glavi i sistem u okviru koga svako to znanje ima neko svoje logično mesto, a potpuno je druga stvar je da uzmeš olovku, pisaću mašinu ili tastaturu i kreneš nešto da pišeš. ||One|thing|is|to|yourself|you|get acquainted|with|some|concepts|to|yourself|get acquainted|with|that|what|stands|behind||to|form|some|corpus|of knowledge|in|your|mind|and|system|in|framework|which|every|that|knowledge|has|some|its|logical|place|but|completely|is|another|thing|is|to|take|pencil|typewriter|machine|or|keyboard|and|start|something|to|write Ivan Minić: One thing is to get acquainted with some concepts, to understand what lies behind them, to form a corpus of knowledge in your mind and a system within which each piece of knowledge has its logical place, and it is a completely different thing to take a pencil, typewriter, or keyboard and start writing something. Ja, recimo, jako dugo pišem, ali se još nisam odvažio da sednem i napišem knjigu iz razloga što nisu moje želje kratkog daha, ja samo nekako još uvek ne mogu da vidim tu veliku poentu koju hoću da ispričam kroz mnogo malih. I|for example|very|long|write|but|reflexive pronoun|yet|I have not|dared|to|sit down|and|write|book|for|reasons|that|are not|my|desires|short|breath|I|just|somehow|still|always|not|can|to|see|that|big|point|that|I want|to|tell|through|many|small I, for example, have been writing for a long time, but I still haven't dared to sit down and write a book because my desires are not short-lived; I just somehow still can't see the big point I want to convey through many small ones. Za sad mi je OK da pričam male, pa ću jednog dana uobličiti. For|now|to me|is|okay|to|talk|little|so|I will|one|day|shape For now, it's OK for me to tell small stories, and one day I will shape them. Bio mi je Laza Džamić. was|me|is|Laza|Džamić I had Laza Džamić.

Kako je fudbaler postao pisac How|(is)|footballer|became|writer How a footballer became a writer.

Stefan Lalić: Gledao sam. ||I watched|(past tense marker) Stefan Lalić: I watched. 🙂 Ivan Minić: Laza je ispričao svoj pristup svemu tome i taj pristup mi se veoma dopada, jer je to jedan onako inženjerski pristup koji ja mogu da razumem ||Laza|is|explained|his|approach|to everything|that|and|that|approach|to me|reflexive particle|very|appeals|because|is|that|one|in that way|engineering|approach|which|I|can|to|understand 🙂 Ivan Minić: Laza shared his approach to all of this and I really like that approach, because it's an engineering approach that I can understand. . Kako je to u tvom slučaju bilo How|is|that|in|your|case|been . How was it in your case? ? Mislim, prvo – zašto i kako si krenuo, a zatim kako izgleda taj ceo proces, jer proces je, verujem, jako komplikovan I think|first|why|and|how|you|started|and|then|how|looks|that|whole|process|because|process|is|I believe|very|complicated I mean, first – why and how did you start, and then what does the whole process look like, because the process is, I believe, very complicated? ? Stefan Lalić: Jeste, da Stefan|Lalić|Yes|yes Stefan Lalić: Yes, it is. . Mislim da proces dosta više zavisi od tipa knjige ili možda pisca, ne znam I think|that|process|quite|much|depends|on|type|book|or|maybe|writer|not|I know . I think that the process depends a lot more on the type of book or maybe the writer, I don't know. . Kako je krenulo… u našem društvu su neke te filozofske teme bile u fokusu, i tako sam s kumom pričao nešto, razmišljao o tim nekim temama, došao kući i napisao poeziju, što mi se nikad nije desilo do tada How|it|started|in|our|society|were|some|those|philosophical|topics|were|in|focus|and|so|I|with|my godfather|talked|something|thought|about|those|some|topics|I came|home|and|wrote|poetry|which|to me|reflexive particle|never|was not|happened|until|then . As it started... in our society, some of those philosophical themes were in focus, and so I was talking to my godfather about something, thinking about those themes, came home and wrote poetry, which had never happened to me before. . Tako je došlo i to pisanje So|it|came|and|that|writing . That's how the writing came about. . Kasnije se to normalno razvijalo, pa sam prvo objavio knjigu poezije Later|reflexive particle|it|normally|developed|so|I|first|published|book|of poetry . Later, it developed normally, and I first published a book of poetry. . Međutim, oduvek me je interesovalo to, kao što si rekao, kakav je to proces nastajanja romana, pored preduzetništva za koje sam znaš koliko je teško, pogotovo ugostiteljstvo However|always|me|has|interested|that|as|what|you|said|what kind of|is|that|process|creation|novel|besides|entrepreneurship|for|which|I|know|how much|is|difficult|especially|hospitality . However, I have always been interested in what, as you said, the process of creating a novel is like, alongside entrepreneurship, which you know how difficult it is, especially in hospitality. . Teško je na drugačiji način It's hard|is|in|a different|way . It's hard to do it any other way. . Mislim da je napisati roman mnogo, mnogo teško, verovatno najteže što sam ikad uradio I think|that|is|to write|novel|much||difficult|probably|the hardest|that|I|ever|done . I think writing a novel is very, very difficult, probably the hardest thing I've ever done. . Nakon što sam napisao, odnosno objavio tu knjigu, bacio sam se na roman After|that|I|wrote|or rather|published|that|book|threw|I|reflexive particle|on|novel . After I wrote, or rather published that book, I threw myself into the novel. . Iako sam ga napisao i objavio sa 23 godine, to je bio moj sedmi pokušaj da napišem roman Although|I|it|wrote|and|published|at|years|it|was|my|my|seventh|attempt|to|write|novel . Although I wrote and published it at the age of 23, it was my seventh attempt to write a novel. . Nisam odustao, bio sam istrajan I did not|give up|was|I|persistent . I didn't give up, I was persistent. . To nije najbolja knjiga na svetu, daleko od toga, ali s obzirom na moje godine i moje mršavo iskustvo, mislim da je sasvim u redu It|is not|best|book|in|the world|far|from|that|but|||on|my|age|and|my|meager|experience|I think|that|is|quite|in|order . It's not the best book in the world, far from it, but considering my age and my slim experience, I think it's quite alright. . Tako je to što se toga tiče So|is|that|as for|it|that|concerns . That's how it is regarding that. . Što se tiče procesa, ja sam tu knjigu napisao za sedam dana As|reflexive particle|concerns|process|I|(am)|that|book|wrote|in|seven|days . As for the process, I wrote that book in seven days. . Sedeo sam kod kuće od ujutro do uveče, nisam imao koncept, nisam imao strategiju ili šta god I sat|was|at|home|from|morning|until|evening|I did not|had|concept|I did not|had|strategy|or|what|ever . I sat at home from morning till evening, I had no concept, I had no strategy or anything. . Imao sam neku ideju za neku priču I had|(past tense marker)|some|idea|for|some|story . I had some idea for a story. . Sad neću da spojlujem, ali bilo je dosta smešno, da kažem zanimljivo Now|I won't|to|spoil|but|it was|is|quite|funny|to|say|interesting . Now I won't spoil it, but it was quite funny, to say interesting. . Bio sam na Sajmu knjiga, nešto se tad politički dešavalo u zemlji, ja sam pitao mog izdavača – “Da li biste vi objavili knjigu ako ubijem sve političare u zemlji?”, ona me je pitala: “U Srbiji?”, ja sam joj odgovorio: “Ne, ne ovako, ja ću da izmislim zemlju ali ima će veze sa nekom tom poukom” I was|am|at|the Book Fair|book|something|reflexive pronoun|then|politically|was happening|in|the country|I|am|asked||publisher|Yes|question particle|would|you|publish|book|if|I kill|all|politicians|in|the country|she|me|past tense marker|asked|In||I|am|her|answered|No|not|like this|I|will|to||country|but|will have|will|connections|with|some|that|lesson . I was at the Book Fair, something political was happening in the country at that time, I asked my publisher – “Would you publish a book if I killed all the politicians in the country?”, she asked me: “In Serbia?”, I replied: “No, not like that, I will invent a country but it will have something to do with some lesson.” . I onda kaže: “Da.”, i ja sam rekao “Dobro”, otišao kući i napisao knjigu. I|then|says|Yes|and|I|was|said|Okay|went|home|and|wrote|book . And then she says: “Yes.”, and I said “Okay”, went home and wrote the book.

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